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Bill: Liberty For The Workers
Details
Submitted by[?]: Labour Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3105
Description[?]:
| Any trade union should be allowed to go on strike in support of their fellow workers. This show solidarity amongst the workers and will provide a more powerful voice in the public to force the companies to act and not abuse the workers like they always do. For far too long big business has had it well of in the way of striking, but the Labour Party is trying to break that barrier and make big business accountable for their actions. The current law is stupid and needs to be changed at once. Say if the metal workers unions goes on strike because they aren't being payed well enough, the teachers union should be allowed to go on strike to show solidarity with the metal workers and show the bosses that their union isn't the only one that is unhappy with what they're doing. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Secondary strike action.
Old value:: Only closely related trade unions can walk out on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Current: Any trade union can go on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Proposed: Any trade union can go on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:22:54, April 10, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | Theres no reason for teachers union to go on strike because the metal workers union goes on strike, that hurts the econonmy, and when we are having a trouble with the economy right now this would not be a good idea at all. The teachers union can run a tv ad, radio ad or whatever any rip apart the company the metal union goes on strike from for all we care, but not go on strike and not do their job and help teach the kids. |
| Date | 12:56:04, April 10, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | Typical People's Party rhetoric, just defending big business and silencing the voice of the workers. By going on strike, it shows solidarity for their friends in another union. You need to remember that people do not get paid when they strike so if a union wants to go no a sympathy strike, they are well aware that they wont be getting paid for their actions, but it is something that must be done. You also need to remember that it doesn't happen everyday and only happens when the workers are upset with their superiors either in public or private sectors. So you need to take that into account before putting up wild and nonsensical arguments like the one you just made. |
| Date | 13:29:44, April 10, 2011 CET | From | Revolutionary Worker's Party | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | Again comes the ''People's'' Party, defending the rich and powerful. Once again what they say proves that they don't know a thing about worker mentality, that they have only experienced the rich side of the world. We will obviously vote yes. |
| Date | 17:40:04, April 10, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | Well if you were in the private sector, we know you would be going on strike every day. It's not silencing their voice, they can do everything else just not go on strike. I'm not going to risk a bunch of teachers walking out for some metal workers or the railroad workers. I've seen in history workers go on strike and ask for unreasonable stuff, and they hardly try for an aggrenment. It got so bad, Truman had to step in. This is typical far left movement, and the same old bull we hear every day but nothing to back it up from the LP and the RWP. |
| Date | 02:37:53, April 11, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | Actually no I wouldn't as a matter of fact, I would only be going on strike when it is deemed necessary not everyday. If you know how society works, then you should know that nobody goes on strike everyday. Yes you are silencing their voice you are saying they can do anything else but go on strike. Did you happen to know that striking is the most effective and cheapest way to get one's message across? I guess not because you just want private companies to care for us from cradle to grave and anybody who dares to speak out against them must be crazy and needs to be put in the nearest mental institution. The only people who are spewing bull is these right wing loonies like yourself who believe that workers have no rights whatsoever and they are owned by the company heads. OOC: As a frequent user of the London Underground, I would know how it feels like to be inconvenienced by a strike. The LU goes on strike maybe 7 or 8 times a year and it might make me angry because it is a vital part of London but I understand that they are doing it for a good reason and other unions like the buses union and construction union sometimes join in with the Tube. If we had clowns like you calling the shots in the UK, the words "strike" and "union" wouldn't exist in our vocabulary! |
| Date | 05:25:11, April 11, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | OOC:Sure Sure. IC: The most cheapest way for what? Not the company that will lose an entire day of profit and work. I will make it cler to this party we have came in the middle on workers issue, if you want me to be a right wing loonie then I can vote to make it workers can fire any workers who go on strikes, and will even ban unions. So instead of spreading your lies about this party, check your facts and get them straight. We are saying a teachers union has no reason to go on strike for the metal workers union, what do they have in common except they are both hard workers. The union can do other stuff. What is crazy is a party so extreme that everyhting they say is something about greedy corporations and businsses destorying people and the workers. |
| Date | 07:00:47, April 11, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | OOC: Sure sure? What you don't believe me that the Underground goes on strike? Well I suggest you come over to London, take the tube from Dagenham to Aldgate East everyday and see how its like! Then you will have to eat your words, sure sure my arse PP. IC: It is the cheapest way to get your message across genius. Cheaper than putting ads in the media, cheaper than rioting in the streets and cheaper than putting up with clowns in the big business. So what if the company loses a day of profit? That is their fault for abusing their workers, you need to drill this into your skull that workers do not strike for the fun of it. Mr King I am not spreading any lies about your party, I am just exposing the truth of your party for the public to see. With you being a CEO you should know all about spitting on the faces of workers and exploiting them for your benefit, shouldn't you not? Now you're glorifying your image by donating to schools, but I am sure the public knows that this is nothing more than a publicity stunt to win votes Actually what I am saying about businesses destroying workers is so true. For you to call parties that represent the working class "extreme" is just an insult to the majority of society and just a disgusting remark. Your party is the only extreme one here, defending the toffs of society and branding parties who represent the workers "extreme", you party needs to take a long hard look at themselves and stop making such wild statements. Do you have anymore arguments for me to demolish? |
| Date | 09:15:18, April 11, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | No you are telling lies, you don't know my record as a businsessman. I did not exploit any of my workers, I have had a rocky relationship with the unions at my company (I founded it) and I know fully well of that. I made some cuts that hurt people and I made mistakes, however I gave backpay to employees, any who were laid off had priotiy over all other applicants. I helped make sure they had better access to health care from my companies plans and I reduced the amount they had to pay. I didn't exploit them, the unions i dealt with at my company will tell you I always worked with them and did good things, did I do everything they wanted? No I didn't because I can't and I don't agree with it all. Also last time I checked a unions could give a statment, give a press conference, hell give an interview. The media does take a liberial stance. Does it cost the union money to give an interview or put a statement out? Let me propose to you this sir, a company is in debt they need to make cuts, they have cut from the top but they need to make more. They are faced with paycuts or lay offs. They are going to put a five percent paycut to all employees or lay off about a hundred of their employees making people have to work more hours and have more they have to do and they aren't going to get a raise because the company can't afford it. So the workers go on strike because they don't want to take a paycut. Do you believe the businsses abused it's workers? What if then another union (no relation in any way) goes on strike because they want to show they agree with that union? Do you believe it's right? |
| Date | 12:37:26, April 11, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | Oh blah blah blah Donald, don't give me that same old propaganda I hear from people like you who are being grilled by common sense and are looking fro a way out. It just goes in one ear and out the other. Please don't glorify yourself like that again, it sickens me and my party. I never said unions weren't able to give out a statement, where did i say that? You are fabricating your "facts" from thin air. It certainlty does cost to make an interview, paying the cameramen, video editing etc. However, who puts out an interview to get their message across and how effective is a short statement? Let me answer that for you, nothnig is more effective than striking as it forces the companies to act otherwise no big pay days for them. What makes striking even more effective is when other unions join the cause, this keeps all the fat cats on high street on their toes and scared of the workers. With your last point your scenario is absolutely, 110% right on the side of the unions. I'll tell you why, because to claw back losses, instead of giving pay cuts to workers those bloody corporate heads could give paycus to themselves by 50%! They never do that, not even if the nation is in a famine they will cut off the ones who are vaulnerable whilst still having the same salary, if not higher than when everything was fine. if other unions join the cause, it will send a clear message to their bosses that the workers will put up a good fight and refuse to be kicked around by toffs like you. OOC: I think you know that Ireland is in a financial meltdown at the moment far worse than here in the Uk or in the US. They were in it from overdeveloping properties, rapid expansion then it all came tumbling down. I was there just last year and if you go on the outer suburbs of Dublin and Cork you can see alll these empty homes and homes half completed just left there deserted, hoping for the good days to come back again. Now to my point, when their property industry collapsed, the company heads sacked so many construction workers and other workers (their unemployment rate is at about 15%). The remaining ones were given hefty paycuts while the heads actually gave themselves a pay rise! Anyway, the workers went on strike in Dublin and other unions joined in, when they joined in, other companies had a rethink as to how to treat their workers. So, secondary striking surely saved the day in Ireland, and if there were laws there like the ones you support, Ireland would be much worse off than it is today. So, think about the power or striking PP, after all, actions speak louder than words. |
| Date | 22:59:18, April 11, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | We won't contuine this debate because the LP refuse to see common senese and they believe that everything we say is a lie and we do everything for political gain. The LP is exactlly like the infamous Socialist Alliance who started a civil war in this country. |
| Date | 01:36:22, April 12, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | Oh here we go again, you have been proven wrong, exposed in the sunlight for all to see and you spit the dummy. You draw up wacky conspiracy theories that somehow we want to start a civil war, you dig your head in the sand, block your ears and refuse to listren to anyone except fro the crazies who run your asylum. I thikn all the People's Party members need to really get their act together and stop making such insane statements, it is an embarassment for our country and for politics in general. The mongrels should be ashamed of themselves. OOC; I hope you're not like this in real life, making such puerile remarks and I hope you never, ever enter politics in real life if you are like how you are IC, otherwise you will be laughed right out, nobody will take you seriously. |
| Date | 08:15:46, April 12, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Liberty For The Workers |
| Message | I didn't say you wanted to , I merly said that you are like the party in your comments and the way you act and that party started a civil war. We didn't try to say you would, it was to stress more of who we were comapring you too. We weren't proven wrong at all. OOC: I acctauly did not mean to to try and say your party was going to start a civil war. Sorry about that confusion. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 452 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 298 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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