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Bill: Non-biased National Icons Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: MLTP (The Resistance)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2146
Description[?]:
| The Lodamese Flag, National Anthem, and Motto should not be of a politically modivated nature. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The lyrics of the national anthem.
Old value:: There is unrest in the forest, There is trouble with the trees, For the maples want more sunlight And the oaks ignore their pleas. The trouble with the maples, (And they're quite convinced they're right) They say the oaks are just too lofty And they grab up all the light. But the oaks can't help their feelings If they like the way they're made. And they wonder why the maples Can't be happy in their shade. There is trouble in the forest, And the creatures all have fled, As the maples scream "Oppression!" And the oaks just shake their heads So the maples formed a union And demanded equal rights. "The oaks are just too greedy; We will make them give us light." Now there's no more oak oppression, For they passed a noble law, And the trees are all kept equal By hatchet, axe, and saw.
Current:
| O, Lodamun Rejoice, brothers and sisters Children of our glorious land May we restrain our resistors Their resistance we disband No foe I fear, no friend I force We propagate wholeheartedly No single feeling of Remorse affects our fraternity All the weapons of this earth Could not temper our pride Lodamun, for what it's worth Your sacred grounds we abide O, Republic that is ours Our lives are in your hands We shall maintain with all our powers Your glory, with proud stance. |
Proposed: Ravel's Bolero (instrumental)
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://www.zaboron.de/flag5small.gif
Current: https://i.postimg.cc/vBhNstZ4/Lodamun-Flag.png
Proposed: http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/3030/lodamunflag0ho.gif
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help small men by tearing down big men. You cannot help the wage-earner by tearing down the wage-payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of mankind by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative. You cannot help man permanently by doing for them what they could do and should do for themselves.
Current: No Foe I Fear, No Friend I Force
Proposed: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:49:29, November 20, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | Regarding the anthem, I thought something instrumental might be nice. My ideas have always been Vivaldi's Spring or Ravel's Bolero. Perhaps the latter, as it is sutiably stirring as to be of national anthem status. I can't photoshop for the life of me, but if someone would like to make a flag that's doesn't have a dollar sign it might be nice. One that's green like the old flag, and not that hidious yellow/black colour arangement might be nice too. Also, any suggestions for a motto would be nice. I'm not bringing this to vote until we can come to a fairly unianimous decision. |
| Date | 06:16:44, November 20, 2005 CET | From | International Society of Bankers | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | Well, I could make another flag, but would I really want to? (-; |
| Date | 07:40:25, November 20, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | I will vote against any changes to the flag, motto, or anthem. I had to put up with "People's Federation" for ages, on the side of my screen on every single page. |
| Date | 09:33:27, November 20, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | MLTP - with typical self-righteousness the TiCs feel justified in imposing a flag, motto and anthem which is intended to be as offensive and divisive as possible, in retaliation for the period when Lodamun was a "People's Federation". Of course, this self-righteous belief allows the TiCs to disregard the fact that "People's Federation" is not anti-capitalist and also to disregard the many compromises which were offered and eventually resulted in the "Five Nations". In fact, the TiCs are so rabid and blinkard in their belief in free-market capitalism that they have transformed their entire party principles in all other aspects in order to be able to continue to support capitalism. You may wish to note that this shift of principles has followed the historical path of capitalism, first attempting to shore itself up by inducing religious fervour and finally the decline into fascism when capitalism - more precisely, the rich - can only survive through the barrel of a gun. Look at all the oppressive proposals these once self-claimed "libertarians" have tried to impose - just to protect the money. It's been a fascinating demonstration of Marxist theory. However, there's no point in trying to reason with a mad dog is there? Just shoot it. |
| Date | 13:46:06, November 20, 2005 CET | From | Slaytanic Wehrmacht | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | As a sign of peace, we will agree to any reasonable flag or motto, as long as it's a nice one, and not ugly like the white pelican on green. |
| Date | 19:56:57, November 20, 2005 CET | From | Juche Front (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | We will agree to anything at all without dollar signs but there is no point even talking about it until the leading imperialist party is reduced to below 100 seats. |
| Date | 20:54:09, November 20, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | Fair is fair. I like the current national icons, and any reservations I would have had about their bias is erased. There was no retribution as a motive, it was only a justification. |
| Date | 21:26:47, November 20, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | Albert - Yes, it is a very interesting example of marxist theory in practice. I'm reminded of the old saying "libertarianism and fascism are two sides of the same coin" |
| Date | 01:23:22, November 21, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | ...and it's why the abuse of the term "libertarian" is such implausible propaganda. The alleged "libertarianism" lasts only as long as it protects the money. When the money's under threat, down comes the iron heel. As much as they claim to despise the whole of Marxist theory, they can't help following the cycle. Like hamsters running round a little wheel. |
| Date | 01:25:56, November 21, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | Exactly. |
| Date | 01:37:28, November 21, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | I thought it was quite clear that the Faithful are not, nor have they ever been, libertarian. Tuesday Is Coming was another party, another lifetime. They have been gone for about two decades. |
| Date | 01:52:08, November 21, 2005 CET | From | International Society of Bankers | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | This insults to our political belief are uncalled for and unjustified. Are we not the ones driving away the Deltarians Pig-Dogs and opposing the Remnant Fascists? Is it our fault that Tuesday is Coming betrayed its own political beliefs? We left that cult in order to create a free society liberated from the shackles of Big Government, and promise to uphold our honor. |
| Date | 03:15:11, November 21, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | At any rate, the purpose of this debate is not to discuss the correctness of marxist theory. Does anyone oppose Ravel's Bolero as the new national anthem? |
| Date | 04:22:10, November 21, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | We would prefer reinstating 'Probably None' as our national anthem, but Bolero is good too. |
| Date | 04:39:56, November 21, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | How about http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/3030/lodamunflag0ho.gif ? Traditional Lodamun green, with the five stars representing the nations and the one big one Lodamun. |
| Date | 06:01:28, November 22, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | I like it. Can I hear from the Libertarians, LCLC, and democratic-socialists as to whether or not they will support this? |
| Date | 02:32:04, November 24, 2005 CET | From | International Society of Bankers | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | It is extremely cheap to be doing this with this bug screwing with the game. For that reason we vote no. |
| Date | 08:30:48, November 25, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | Seems to be fixed, vote in favor if you like. I wont let it pass. |
| Date | 21:25:42, November 25, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | We urge the Libertarians to vote in favor, as the bug is fixed. Your votes, it looks like, will decide the outcome. |
| Date | 23:15:04, November 25, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Non-biased National Icons Act |
| Message | The vote requires that 201 vote in favor, 117 will vote against. Therefore, a maximum of 183 can vote in favor. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 127 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 155 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 18 |
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