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Bill: Budget proposal of April 3121
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Movement for Revolution
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3122
Description[?]:
| The Liberal Movement for Revolution propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the Kingdom of Quanzar. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 250,000,000 LIS | 400,000,000 LIS | 50,000,000 LIS |
| Foreign Affairs | 5,000,000,000 LIS | 38,470,000,000 LIS | 20,000,000,000 LIS |
| Internal Affairs | 45,000,000,000 LIS | 20,000,000,000 LIS | 15,000,000,000 LIS |
| Finance | 1,300,000,000 LIS | 25,600,000,000 LIS | 15,600,000,000 LIS |
| Defence | 10,000,000,000 LIS | 550,000,000,000 LIS | 50,000,000,000 LIS |
| Justice | 7,500,000,000 LIS | 19,000,000,000 LIS | 10,000,000,000 LIS |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 1,850,000,000 LIS | 30,000,000,000 LIS | 10,000,000,000 LIS |
| Health and Social Services | 2,137,500,000 LIS | 74,500,000,000 LIS | 54,500,000,000 LIS |
| Education and Culture | 21,375,000,000 LIS | 30,365,000,000 LIS | 20,365,000,000 LIS |
| Science and Technology | 20,000,000,000 LIS | 31,825,000,000 LIS | 6,825,000,000 LIS |
| Food and Agriculture | 5,000,000,000 LIS | 26,000,000,000 LIS | 10,000,000,000 LIS |
| Environment and Tourism | 1,000,000,000 LIS | 60,000,000,000 LIS | 1,000,000,000 LIS |
| Trade and Industry | 1,150,000,000 LIS | 160,000,000,000 LIS | 5,000,000,000 LIS |
| Total | 121,562,500,000 LIS | 1,066,160,000,000 LIS | 218,340,000,000 LIS |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:11:42, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | We'd like to hear the insight of other parties. |
| Date | 19:17:56, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | Of course, this budget was prepared before Avanti Istalia! took the initiative. We are more in favor of this one. |
| Date | 19:33:34, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | We will not support widespread cuts on Health, Science and Education. These are key sectors we should preserve. On the other hand, we support whatever reduction of expenses for Food and Agriculture, Environment and Tourism and Trade and Industry. As it is at present, we won't vote in favour of this budget proposal. |
| Date | 19:35:48, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | The amount put into Health and Education sectors is enough. And with the amount of our great deficit, we really believe the cuts on Science and Technology are justified. It saddens our heart to see that Avanti Istalia! wants to reach space while our people are starving. |
| Date | 21:29:33, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | LMR's statement is defiant. We don't want to "reach space", we claim it is possible to erase the deficit without destroying our welfare state, and we demonstrated it clearly in our proposal. |
| Date | 22:00:31, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | If the way of destroying this so-called welfare state is completely eliminating the presence of military in our nation, then we refuse. It is among the most important tasks of a state to guard the well-being of its citizens, its national values and its lands. Avanti Istalia's pro-segregation attidue has been a matter of concern for us, for a long time. |
| Date | 22:00:54, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | ((*if the way of preserving* ahem)) |
| Date | 22:36:50, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "We disagree entirely. So we either reach a compromise, or we won't vote in favour of this proposal." ~ Iulio Trevalli, candidate for Finance "I don't know where you get the idea that my party is pro-segregation. This is plain slander. I invite LMR's press officers to watch their words before labeling a party as "pro-segregation". We've been the first to propose the ban of gated communities! As for this so-called economic reform. What future are we going to give to our children? Yes, we're erasing the deficit. Then what? Our educational system will lay in shambles. Our hospitals will have to shut down, and the private-owned ones are going to shoot for maximum profit since they won't be able to rely on our help. Our research will stop entirely and our few educated people will seek fortune abroad. This is indeed a reform, one that lays the foundation for anarchy." ~ Maro Vannella, candidate for Education and Culture |
| Date | 22:47:58, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | Avanti Istalia's pro-segregation attidue is not news, to anyone. A party that focuses on a specific minority cannot claim to hold the interest of the entire nation at heart. On what grounds does Avanti Istalia claim that with the proposed cuts we won't be able to keep our hospitals open, our schools efficent, we do not know. Unlike Avanti Istalia's very, very unbalanced cuts, we intend to keep all departments of our government intact, and not one or two with blind idealism. We won't suffer a compromise. Either the Nationalist Party will come up with a proposal that suits our needs and this so-called "Avanti Istalia"s, to whom we most graciously offered a place in our cabinet despite the fact they are the weakest party, or Avanti Istalia's crazed ministers will remain responsible for the economical perils our nation will face. |
| Date | 23:30:08, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "LMR's ignorant attitude shall be countered every time they insist with defamatory remarks on my Party. If we were segregationists, we'd be proposing gated communities, racial segregation of public amenities, and our Party manifesto would aim at the destruction or the assimilation of other "races". Yes, my Party is named "Avanti Istalia!", and I am proud to be its member, just like many Quanzarians and Istalians alike are. We seek, among other things, to keep a motherly eye on the oppressed Istalian population, seeing as the whole political scene is dominated by Quanzarians. Nonetheless we propose and discuss laws for the common people, regardless of race and ethnicity. We have done so for centuries, when you didn't even exist, and we will continue doing so now." ~ Maro Vannella, candidate for Education and Culture "The LNP might continue with their slanderous, inflammatory attitude. We answer with numbers. Triss Catonis must be blind to think he can keep our hospitals open, our schools efficient, with that measly budget. Our Education spending is already low, at less than 2% of our GDP; cutting it by 30% basically destroys what's left of our educational system. Our Healthcare system will experience an agonizing death aswell, as its 4.3% quota will be reduced to 3.125%, whereas more sensible nations allocate at least twice that quantity. Likewise, Research funding will fall from 1.85% to 0.39%. Most advanced nations keep it at 2%. Defence budget is going to be lowered to 3% of GDP, still too high in our opinion, as modern nations can usually afford a small yet efficient military at half that quantity. Your choice of words is arrogant and upstart. If you mention your unwillingness to "suffer" a compromise, you're effectively valueing your own prestige more than national interests. You will suffer a compromise if the need arises. We are available to reach a common ground if LMR representatives wish - if you dont, then your mindless honour shall be held responsible for the economical perils our nation will face, not our "crazed ministers", who've always done their job responsibly and with the whole nation's interests in mind. We extend our hand to reach a compromise between our pacifist, welfare-oriented stance, and LMR's militaristic approach. If the LMR wants to keep on with their flamboyant rhetoric, regardless of our factual approach, it's their choice." ~ Iulio Trevalli, candidate for Finance |
| Date | 23:33:26, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Quanzar Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | The Nationalist party will stand shoulder to shoulder with the Liberal Movement on this proposal. A far better balance has been made to ensure all departments can run effectively. The reforms proposed by Avanti Istalia! are concerning and would all but cripple our military strength. We would also add our voice to the Liberal Movement's with concern to Avanti Istalia's pro-segregation views. Should this come to a vote we shall be in favour. The defecit must be cut, however it must be done so with care. |
| Date | 23:35:30, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | Considering the NP's support, we won't dignify Avanti Istalia's remarks with an answer. Let us vote. |
| Date | 23:54:02, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "QNP's endorsement of LNP's derogatory, and completely false, assertions, on our alleged 'pro-segregation' views, is rather ironic, as it comes from a Quanzari Nationalist, criticizing those like us who merely want to protect the Istalian population of this Country from any potential oppression coming from Quanzari rule. I begin to feel we're victims of deceit and propaganda - which is to be expected, as we're the only ones defending a part of this Country so easily forgotten by the majority parties. It is saddening to see that everyone here is concerned with our military strength, when even now we are spending more than 30% of our GNP in Defence, so much that we could be labeled as a warmongering third-world Country. And now that we want to contribute to world peace and in the same time to ease our deficit burden, our reforms are "concerning", eventhough the only difference with the LMR's is an increased attention on our welfare (which we consider a tad more important than military) at the expense of defence and foreign affairs - can we really think of our neighbours when we are in deep trouble? Dare I say no, we can't. We must take care of our own problems first. We invite the QNP to think about their incoherency, and to think with their heads, instead of following whatever lie the LMR is spreading against our reputation." ~ Gemma Ponino, candidate for Food and Agriculture |
| Date | 23:58:48, May 15, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "QNP's endorsement of LNP's derogatory, and completely false, assertions, on our alleged 'pro-segregation' views, is rather ironic, as it comes from a Quanzari Nationalist, criticizing those like us who merely want to protect the Istalian population of this Country from any potential oppression coming from Quanzari rule. I begin to feel we're victims of deceit and propaganda - which is to be expected, as we're the only ones defending a part of this Country so easily forgotten by the majority parties." Our republic guarantees that every member of our nation is free, and equal. We feel you are not defending the rights of any minority, but simply drawing your support via false promises. "It is saddening to see that everyone here is concerned with our military strength, when even now we are spending more than 30% of our GNP in Defence, so much that we could be labeled as a warmongering third-world Country. And now that we want to contribute to world peace and in the same time to ease our deficit burden, our reforms are "concerning", eventhough the only difference with the LMR's is an increased attention on our welfare (which we consider a tad more important than military) at the expense of defence and foreign affairs - can we really think of our neighbours when we are in deep trouble? Dare I say no, we can't. We must take care of our own problems first. We invite the QNP to think about their incoherency, and to think with their heads, instead of following whatever lie the LMR is spreading against our reputation." We are starting to feel we were mistaken by letting a party that claims a country with 30% of GNP in defense is a "warmongering third-world country" have the ministry of foreign affairs. We expect Avanti Istalia to start regarding Republic of Quanzar as a whole, and start taking pride in its ability to defend the rights of its citizens. |
| Date | 00:15:38, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "All we've seen from the LMR are lies, lies and even more lies, backed up by their superficial analysis of our Party's name. We invite LMR's representatives to quote one, just one proposal of ours that led to racial segregation, or anyways that would hint to our alleged interest in only a part of this Country. Once again, LMR's statements have their roots in their prejudicial, dare I say racist!, judgement of our Istalian heritage, backed up not by facts but by their own words. And we know we cannot trust words without facts. Show us our racial acts, and we'll very well admit you're right. We also abhor the idea that the LMR isn't dismayed by the disproportionate amount of GDP dedicated to defense. It is even more ironic as it comes from a Party labeled as "Liberal", whereas that would mean robbing our citizens of their earnings to invest them solely in military. Since the LMR does indeed reduce defense spending, however, we won't imply they'd actually support that." ~ Giuseppe Pesani, candidate for Internal Affairs "I want to point out that the LMR sophists, once again, took the easy oratorial way instead of facing our concrete remarks: most evidently, they just decided to skate over them. If we pass bills and proposals because of fiery speeches instead of hard facts, I very well dread the day when the Finance will be held by someone with a degree on Communication sciences." ~ Iulio Trevalli, candidate for Finance |
| Date | 00:22:55, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "All we've seen from the LMR are lies, lies and even more lies, backed up by their superficial analysis of our Party's name. We invite LMR's representatives to quote one, just one proposal of ours that led to racial segregation, or anyways that would hint to our alleged interest in only a part of this Country. Once again, LMR's statements have their roots in their prejudicial, dare I say racist!, judgement of our Istalian heritage, backed up not by facts but by their own words. And we know we cannot trust words without facts. Show us our racial acts, and we'll very well admit you're right." A party that intends to allow the burning of our national flag calls itself un-segregationist, we see. "Clearly unaware" of the problems it will create between Istalians and Quanzari. "We also abhor the idea that the LMR isn't dismayed by the disproportionate amount of GDP dedicated to defense. It is even more ironic as it comes from a Party labeled as "Liberal", whereas that would mean robbing our citizens of their earnings to invest them solely in military. Since the LMR does indeed reduce defense spending, however, we won't imply they'd actually support that." We are a party that has strongly favoured military cuts. Yet, however, like Avanti Istalia supports so fiercely, we do not favour the complete destruction of our miltiary as we know it is our duty to defend the nation. We also believe, Avanti Istalia has a different reason for wishing the destruction of our military, a reason that the Nationalist Party has vigilantly opposed. We dearly hope Avanti Istalia will lose its fiery attidue, and embrace the unitarian nature of the two leading parties. We gave them a post in the cabinet for a reason - out of goodwill, showing the Istalians that this government recognizes them and cares about them too. We'd like to remind Avanti Istalia that. There will be peace in our nation, with the support of all other parties. |
| Date | 00:26:26, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "All we've seen from the LMR are lies, lies and even more lies, backed up by their superficial analysis of our Party's name. We invite LMR's representatives to quote one, just one proposal of ours that led to racial segregation, or anyways that would hint to our alleged interest in only a part of this Country. Once again, LMR's statements have their roots in their prejudicial, dare I say racist!, judgement of our Istalian heritage, backed up not by facts but by their own words. And we know we cannot trust words without facts. Show us our racial acts, and we'll very well admit you're right." A party that intends to allow the burning of our national flag calls itself un-segregationist, we see. "Clearly unaware" of the problems it will create between Istalians and Quanzari. "We also abhor the idea that the LMR isn't dismayed by the disproportionate amount of GDP dedicated to defense. It is even more ironic as it comes from a Party labeled as "Liberal", whereas that would mean robbing our citizens of their earnings to invest them solely in military. Since the LMR does indeed reduce defense spending, however, we won't imply they'd actually support that." We are a party that has strongly favoured military cuts. Yet, however, like Avanti Istalia supports so fiercely, we do not favour the complete destruction of our miltiary as we know it is our duty to defend the nation. We also believe, Avanti Istalia has a different reason for wishing the destruction of our military, a reason that the Nationalist Party has vigilantly opposed. We dearly hope Avanti Istalia will lose its fiery attidue, and embrace the unitarian nature of the two leading parties. We gave them a post in the cabinet for a reason - out of goodwill, showing the Istalians that this government recognizes them and cares about them too. We'd like to remind Avanti Istalia that. There will be peace in our nation, with the support of all other parties. |
| Date | 00:48:52, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "Everybody knows LMR's stance on the desecration of the national flag was that of a "Liberal" Party - it's their name afterall - until they chose to make a sharp U-turn and become more nationalist than the Quanzari themselves. Of course we could remind everybody that, while the others were busy learning how to walk, our "Burning the flag" act was our most heated leit-motiv. We declared it was a staple of civil liberties - we wanted citizens to be able to desecrate the Istalian flag! The other parties would criticize us for being anti-Istalian - how ironic, now the same proposal is seen on a totally different light. Neither yesterday, nor today, parties want to acknowledge that ours is a defense of civil liberties - that of Quanzarians and Istalians alike (we banned gated communities for a reason), rather than a childish display of nationalism and incitement of hatred. Alas, I am aware this will fall on deaf ears. You will continue to say we want to do so because we clearly want to create nationalistic strives between Istalians and Quanzarians. Go ahead, we made our point clear. I will even stop to note how the LMR is continuously skating over our mathematical remarks. All they can answer is "it is our duty to defend the nation". No matter if our nation dies from within, thanks to the destruction of the healthcare system; no matter if our children will become brainwashed puppets, thanks to the annihilation of the education system: we need to protect our nations from outside "threats" - whatever they are, we have yet to know. The fact that we've been given a post in the cabinet "out of goodwill", dare I say "out of compassion", doesn't sound like this government recognizes Istalians too well. It sounds more like the LMR acknowledges their existence, but they'd give them only their dinner leftovers, just to keep them quiet if anything. Quite a respectful stance from a party that claims it provides for the interests of the whole Country. There will not be peace in our nation, when our children will grow up uneducated and ignorant. And you know how easily manipulative ignorant people are. That is, if they manage to survive after a cold." ~ Iulio Trevalli, candidate for Finance |
| Date | 00:58:53, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "Of course we could remind everybody that, while the others were busy learning how to walk, our "Burning the flag" act was our most heated leit-motiv. We declared it was a staple of civil liberties - we wanted citizens to be able to desecrate the Istalian flag! The other parties would criticize us for being anti-Istalian - how ironic, now the same proposal is seen on a totally different light. Neither yesterday, nor today, parties want to acknowledge that ours is a defense of civil liberties - that of Quanzarians and Istalians alike (we banned gated communities for a reason), rather than a childish display of nationalism and incitement of hatred." We fail to see how defense of burning a flag is a defense of civil liberties. Divine Providence save us from the day Avanti Istalia gains a crushing majority, for they'd lead us to a civil war. "I will even stop to note how the LMR is continuously skating over our mathematical remarks. All they can answer is "it is our duty to defend the nation". No matter if our nation dies from within, thanks to the destruction of the healthcare system; no matter if our children will become brainwashed puppets, thanks to the annihilation of the education system: we need to protect our nations from outside "threats" - whatever they are, we have yet to know." Once more, Avanti Istalia proves its willingness to overstate the facts. Obviously, Liberal Movement hates this nation and wants to destroy it with diseases and ignorance, and Avanti Istalia will save it. "The fact that we've been given a post in the cabinet "out of goodwill", dare I say "out of compassion", doesn't sound like this government recognizes Istalians too well. It sounds more like the LMR acknowledges their existence, but they'd give them only their dinner leftovers, just to keep them quiet if anything. Quite a respectful stance from a party that claims it provides for the interests of the whole Country." Avanti Istalia manipulates acts of compromise as acts of betrayal and pity. Liberal Movement has never been a Quanzari Nationalist party, and we believed Avanti Istalia's presence would balance the nationalism of both sides in our cabinet. A proposal Avanti Istalia accepted so willingly, might I say, yet now they are acting like we did a great crime. If allowing even the tiniest party be represented in our government is a crime, then so be it, we are criminals. Criminals of unity. Our nation shall stand together facing the perils, no matter the provocations of others. And I shall repeat one more time - We have NOTHING personal against Avanti Istalia despite their attacks on us like mad dogs. We will forever remain in graditute for their support of our republican reforms, but that does not mean we'll alow them lead our country into civil war. A liberal party like ours knows, that there are no races in a country, but only invidiuals that should be all equally represented. |
| Date | 01:14:37, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "We did not attack - we retaliated against your unwarranted series of lies, labeling us as a one-sided Party, one that only looks after the interests of Istalians. And in order to prove this point, you are clinging to the flag proposal and nothing else. We fail to see how could that inspire hatred - those who want to spread hate will do so regardless of a law stating that the flag cannot be desecrated or not. It is never our interest to divide our Country, to lead this into a civil war - it is our interest to protect the minorities, however, when we have two Parties labeled as Quanzari Nationalists and Quanzari Restorationists. You may very well say that there are no races, and we'd agree - there are different cultures and languages though - but the other parties won't think otherwise, and someone has to keep them in check. Yes, you are destroying this nation with disease and ignorance. What else could a nation that spends 5% on education and healthcare combined endure? As for the compromise issue - we were willing to reach a middle ground - we would give up something from our welfare state to reach an agreement with your fears for national security. And yet we have been faced with criticism on our alleged segregationist stance. How can we be "mad dogs" when we're accused of such a heinous crime, I don't know. Besides, it has nothing to do with this economical proposal. We're anything but "fiery". We want compromises. We accept the fact that others may have different views than us. We cannot, however, stand this perpetual string of lies. We want education and healthcare for the poor and the crippled - Istalians and Quanzarians alike!" ~ Iulio Trevalli, candidate for Finance |
| Date | 01:24:45, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Movement for Revolution | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "We did not attack - we retaliated against your unwarranted series of lies, labeling us as a one-sided Party, one that only looks after the interests of Istalians. And in order to prove this point, you are clinging to the flag proposal and nothing else. We fail to see how could that inspire hatred - those who want to spread hate will do so regardless of a law stating that the flag cannot be desecrated or not. It is never our interest to divide our Country, to lead this into a civil war - it is our interest to protect the minorities, however, when we have two Parties labeled as Quanzari Nationalists and Quanzari Restorationists. You may very well say that there are no races, and we'd agree - there are different cultures and languages though - but the other parties won't think otherwise, and someone has to keep them in check." A party that has for long claimed to defend the rights of Istalian minority now claims to check the Quanzari nationalists "in check". We find irony in your words. I've said more than once. Minorities do NOT face any danger, and we believe Avanti Istalia is aware of this. By inspiring fear in such ways among the minorities, we believe Avanti Istalia is trying to BUY votes. "Yes, you are destroying this nation with disease and ignorance. What else could a nation that spends 5% on education and healthcare combined endure?" A hollow claim that will be proven wrong very soon. "As for the compromise issue - we were willing to reach a middle ground - we would give up something from our welfare state to reach an agreement with your fears for national security. And yet we have been faced with criticism on our alleged segregationist stance. How can we be "mad dogs" when we're accused of such a heinous crime, I don't know. Besides, it has nothing to do with this economical proposal. We're anything but "fiery". We want compromises. We accept the fact that others may have different views than us. We cannot, however, stand this perpetual string of lies. We want education and healthcare for the poor and the crippled - Istalians and Quanzarians alike!" Your dedication in keeping this arguement going proves otherwise. We believe Avanti Istalia is trying to keep its prestige -ravaged by their simply unacceptable budget proposal- intact. Strength lies in moderation, which is why we presented such a budget proposal, something all but Avanti Istalia can agree on. This will be our last words to Avanti Istalia in this arguement. We've had enough of their mad ravings. If Avanti Istalia is unable to handle defeat, then they have two options: Stay away from politics or never lose. That is all. |
| Date | 01:30:01, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Quanzar Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | The Quanzar Nationalist Party strongly disapproves of the stance taken by Avanti Istalia. We are the Repuclic of Quanzar. All nationals living within the nation are Quanzarians regardless of race. We are not a party in favour of segregation and have at no point targeted minority groups. Our party came into exitence long after the nation became in Kingdom of Quanzar and after bitter racial divides. We see ourselves as a unifying force for all those who live within this nation. Our party looks to the future rather than to the past. This proposed reform is fair and spreads the burden of cuts effectively across ministries whilst ring fencing education. Although the QNP may not always agree with the Liberal Movement we have always found them fair and as having the national interest at heart. Their inclusion of Avanti Istalia in the cabinet is testament to that. |
| Date | 01:34:36, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "I express my excuses for my poor choice of words. Keeping the Quanzarians in check surely is too strong a statement, and it wasn't what I wanted to express. What I wanted to say is that we fear that the Istalians might feel underrepresented in this nation dominated by Quanzarians. This doesn't mean we want to inspire fear or buy votes, these are just easy allegiations. I can even let all this go - it is not relevant to our nation interests, anyways. What is more relevant is our economical situation. Your proposal hasn't been accepted by everybody yet. I have yet to hear word about the Restorationists and the other Istalian party. And once again I don't see how I want to keep our Party's prestige intact when we proposed, multiple times, a middle ground between our two views. And you know it is going to be needed in case this proposal is not going to pass. How a 5% spending can be a "hollow argument", however, that we cannot see." ~ Iulio Trevalli, candidate for Finance |
| Date | 01:34:50, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Quanzar Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | We believe Avanti Istalia must step down their attacks on the Liberal Movement for Revolution. It is damaging to our current government and acts to sow distrust between parties. At this time of national debt crisis we must come together as a unifying force and solve the issues plaguing our nation. |
| Date | 01:42:26, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "We will stop "attacking" the Liberal Movement for Revolution as soon as they - and you too - stop their defamatory remarks against our reputation. We're merely answering lies with facts. We also don't like this authoritarian attitude of the QNP. This is a democracy and governmental debate is tantamount to democracy. What if we all went along? That'd be totalitarianism." ~ Iulio Trevalli, candidate for Finance |
| Date | 01:47:03, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Quanzar Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | How very droll of the candidate for finance to link an authoritarian attitude to a nationalist party. We understand the debate is tantamount to democracy but lies and slurs against the opposing party are not. The QNP is more than happy to debate but will not be painted as a party of authoritarian thugs. We stand for ALL the people of this nation and democracy. Not totaltarianism. |
| Date | 22:15:32, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Avanti Istalia! | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | "Indeed other parties can call us racists, pro-segregationists, but we cannot express our opinions freely. However, we are ready to offer our excuses if need arises. You are right: you are not authoritarian thugs. Once again I made a poor choice of words that could be misinterpreted - heated debates lead to that more often than not. Nothing would prevent us from throwing lies an slurs against opposing parties, though, as the LMR did at every occasion by calling us pro-segregationist racists and the like. And yet I'm here saying I'm sorry if I said anything that didn't represent truth. I would sure like to see some good sense and humility from certain other parties' representatives too. But this doesn't matter anymore. Given the sorry state of the economy; taken into account the shameful abstension of two of the most important parties of Quanzaria; not accepting the terrible cuts in education, healthcare and research, my Party finally decided to vote in favour of this bill. I dissociate from this decision, but this is my Party's democratic will, and I will agree to it. Rest assured we will continue our proposals to restore a part of our welfare state; I hope I will hear some common sense from the other Parties when I say we can reach a middle ground here." ~ Iulio Trevalli, candidate for Finance |
| Date | 23:09:37, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Quanzar Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of April 3121 |
| Message | We are glad Avanti Istalia! have chosen to come on board with this proposal. We offer our apologies for claims of pro-segregation and racists towards Avanti Istalia and hope we can overcome our differences for the sake of the people. Let us hope this is the beginning of a new phase of government. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 126 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 73 |
| Random fact: In cases where a party has no seat, the default presumption should be that the party is able to contribute to debates in the legislature due to one of its members winning a seat at a by-election. However, players may collectively improvise arrangements of their own to provide a satisfying explanation for how parties with no seats in the legislature can speak and vote there. |
| Random quote: “Can anyone imagine a more perverse idea than forcing faithful Hosians like me to give away my money to enable irresponsible teenage girls to kill off their children because they were too drunk to use a damn condom?" - Dr. Francesca dos Santos, former Dranian politician |