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Bill: Minimum Income Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union Socialism Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3134
Description[?]:
| Whilst there is a basic guaranteed minimum income for everyone who needs it, the government and it's public works projects shall actively search, or create jobs for the individuals. If an able and healthy individual rejects the job opportunity, does take jobs offered by the public works, or simply is deemed an opportunist who wishes to get income without working, the government shall put a stop on their monthly minimum income after a period of 12 months, or 6 months after the first job proposal rejected, or 3 months after the last job proposal rejected, whichever comes last. "basic income" shall be define as enough income for the person to feed his family, or anyone who is dependent on the individual, four healthy meals a day, and be able use public transport 4 times a day, and also be able to use a very basic amount of electricity and water a day. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:14:32, May 16, 2011 CET | From |  Dark Templar (LL) | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill |
| Message | we will be voting no |
| Date | 05:59:18, May 16, 2011 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill |
| Message | We support the RP article but not the actual one. |
| Date | 06:16:49, May 16, 2011 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill |
| Message | We would support both the RP article and the effectual one. |
| Date | 04:29:53, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Social Democratic Party (LL) | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill |
| Message | We can't support the RP part. We could support the actual proposal if it were stand-alone, but even if someone is unwilling to work, we think that person should get the very basic subsistence income. We could also support the current relatively generous minimum income and then a RP part that if someone refuses to work he is dropped to the very basic subsistence income. But we can't support an Ikradonian being made hungry or homeless even if he is unwilling to work. |
| Date | 14:07:45, June 10, 2011 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill |
| Message | So someone should earn something, even if he does nothing at all? Doesn't work, doesn't contribute, and we have to pay them?! |
| Date | 21:00:07, June 10, 2011 CET | From | Social Democratic Party (LL) | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill |
| Message | The alternative is that they are hungry and homeless, and that is not an acceptable fate for any law-abiding Ikradonian in our view. Heck, they'd be better off in prison, where they get food and a roof over their head and are not required to work, so you're giving them an incentive to turn to crime. |
| Date | 22:38:07, June 13, 2011 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill |
| Message | Chances are they would be too lazy to resort to crime. |
| Date | 23:11:35, June 13, 2011 CET | From | Social Democratic Party (LL) | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill |
| Message | The fact would remain, even in the rare cases in which that might be true, that combined with our prison laws that do not require prisoners to work, laziness would be considered a more serious crime than murder. Something is wrong there. |
| Date | 23:20:03, June 13, 2011 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill |
| Message | That is a fallacy, so is the SDMEP also stating that Suicide is a more serious crime than Theft?! Then I propose that a prison-motel be created for these slackers, either that or mandatory civil service, or social service. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 288 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 395 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 67 |
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