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Bill: Welfare Reform Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: New Aloria Party (NAP)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 3134
Description[?]:
| "For to long the People's Party has been tied down with the money of the unions and their support and what they want. It is time for this party to move to the right instead of the left. The government must be minimized and the legacy of certian Chairmans of this party need to be forgotten. The government is only good in some areas"-Donald King. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state guarantees child benefit to all families.
Current: The state does not provide child benefit.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to families classified as low-income or poor.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Current: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Current: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Proposed: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:33:53, June 06, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | Have you gone insane? Article 1-Could be acceptable Article 2- What is the person on unemployment benefits is unemployable. As in too old but not old enough to retire, poor English skills, criminal record or disabled? Then what?, you'll be leaving them out cold just because their time ran out for benefits. Article 3-Shows how much respect you have for the elderly. What if they were on low income all their lives and couldn't save up for retirement? What about widow pensions, war pensions, disability pensions, single family pensions? They were the ones who worked all their lives for the country and the very least you could do is give them a small reward for it lot leave them out cold. Anyway to real life now. If you know or not, Ireland has been hit incredibly hard by the GFC and the IMF and EU literally raped us for a bailout. The government had to make heavy cuts but at least they didn't take away benefits and pensions if there was a clown like you in power the rate of emigration wouldn't be at 1000 a week like it was last year but at 1000 a day! And don't get me started on South Africa, if they had welfare like this Soweto would be like Ethiopia. You're probably some really rich kid from Florida who spits on the faces of those less fortunate aren't you? |
| Date | 16:09:44, June 06, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | Here are our views: Article 1 - We may accept. Article 2 - I have to agree with this one. I don't have anything against unemployed individuals, but the government can't keep on giving them money because eventually it can promote non-productivity. Why would they bother finding work if the government gives them money to live on? (OOC: This reminds me of this news piece about Americans becoming more dependent than ever on government handouts: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/01/americans-reliance-on-government-at-all-time-high/) Article 3 - We would be willing to have a voluntary rather than a compulsory pension system instead. (OOC: As an advice, let's try to avoid personal attacks. The thing about this game is that the real-life individuals behind the party does not always show his personality through his characters. Heck, we had roleplays in the past where parties acted as dictators and bad guys, but eventually they're decent individuals in real-life.) |
| Date | 08:42:36, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | Ok I apologise if I've caused any offence to anyone, didn't mean to but yeah. GPA, haven't you realised that the reason behind Americans being on welfare more than ever is the because they are in a financial meltdown, people have lost their jobs and need some way of providing food on the table, a roof over their head and clothes on their backs? Just like in Ireland, people are now on benefits more than ever, the same goes for the UK, Germany, Greece etc etc. But correct me if I'm wrong isn't the US welfare system like the Chinese one where the government only provides you with some money for a few months then after the time's expired thats it, no more benefits for you. I know its like that in China is it like that in the USA too? Here, people get welfare for as long as they need it and the government helps them find a job. That is a more better system in my opinion. Also, GPA you're from a third world country where there isn't much of a safety net in terms of welfare. Correct? Now, I am originally from a country well I wouldn't necessarily call South Africa third world but it 'aint developed either anyway we have a sort of a safety net but not as good as it is here in Ireland. But the problem is that without a safety net people perish, thats why there are slums in South Africa thats why there are even worse slums in the Philippines because people have no money. So it wouldn't be good to take the safety away from them in case they fall. |
| Date | 13:14:13, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: Well, here in the Philippines we don't have any benefits for unemployed individuals. I can attest to that mainly because I'm one of those unemployed individuals at present (though I'm still trying to look for a new job). We do have a conditional cash transfer program for poor households, though it is a bit controversial since it has yet to show that it is indeed effective. Part of the reason why benefits for unemployed people isn't possible here is because we simply can't afford it. Heck, we still have a huge debt as a result of the Marcos regime back in the '70s and '80s. In a taxpayer's perspective, isn't it a bit unfair that an employed man's hard-earned money is used as an "income" of sorts to an unemployed man who doesn't work at all? It might be reasonable if he was disabled (which, I believe, disability benefits would come in), but what if the man is simply lazy? Why work to earn money when the government can just give you money to live on? And also, wouldn't government spending be part of the reason for a financial meltdown? The government can't always be financially stable to give everyone money. If they don't have money, they either have to increase taxes or borrow money from other countries or the World Bank. And then how can they pay the debt back? The government has to stop at some point in doing the cash handouts. |
| Date | 04:08:31, June 08, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | "The government can not be a nanny to the people for everything, we can't just hand out money to everyone."-Donald King |
| Date | 08:19:54, June 08, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | Yes we can, the least we can do is help out those less fortunate. |
| Date | 11:44:23, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | Exactly right, thats why there are slums, because they don't have any money. Just like in South Africa, the government gives unemployment benefits but its not that much compared to Ireland and the ones who receive them, most of whom live in slums too spend it on drugs, condoms and petrol, not food or clothing. Well i agree with you with those bludgers who just live off government benefits. But what you don't get is that they're barely enough to last a week and in Ireland anyway, the government helps them find a job but in our current situation they're about as easy to find as a needle in a haystack. Also, quire frankly I would much rather be paying a lazy man living off the government like a parasite than a politician on good pay, destroying the nation and they still treat the Irish taxpayer like their bitch. Just look at thisExactly right, thats why there are slums, because they don't have any money. Just like in South Africa, the government gives unemployment benefits but its not that much compared to Ireland and the ones who receive them, most of whom live in slums too spend it on drugs, condoms and petrol, not food or clothing. Well i agree with you with those bludgers who just live off government benefits. But what you don't get is that they're barely enough to last a week and in Ireland anyway, the government helps them find a job but in our current situation they're about as easy to find as a needle in a haystack. Exactly right, thats why there are slums, because they don't have any money. Just like in South Africa, the government gives unemployment benefits but its not that much compared to Ireland and the ones who receive them, most of whom live in slums too spend it on drugs, condoms and petrol, not food or clothing. Well i agree with you with those bludgers who just live off government benefits. But what you don't get is that they're barely enough to last a week and in Ireland anyway, the government helps them find a job but in our current situation they're about as easy to find as a needle in a haystack. Also, quite frankly I would much rather be paying a lazy man living off the government like a parasite, then be paying a politician who is on good pay, destroying the nation everyday and they still think they can treat the Irish and South African taxpayer like their bitch. Take a look at this, http://todayilaughed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/taxpayer.jpg if you've seen those mastercard ads its a play on that. Yes, government spending is the problem why countries go into a financial meltdown also relying on other countries too much. Like here in Europe, its like mountain climbing with everyone tied together, when one person falls down everybody else does too. Greece fell, then it was us, then Portugal, then Spain, then Italy and so on. At least in Africa, everybody hates each other there so when Zimbabwe is run by a crackpot, South Africa doesn't have to suffer. As for the World Bank, them and the IMF can go to hell as far as I'm concerned they took great pleasure in destroying Ireland, Greece and Portugal and believe me, they will strike again. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 240 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 160 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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