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Bill: Education Act of 3132
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hutorian Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3133
Description[?]:
| Bill to reform education in Hutori. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Pre-school education.
Old value:: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nurseries alongside heavily regulated private establishments.
Current: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nurseries alongside heavily regulated private establishments.
Proposed: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nurseries alongside unregulated private establishments.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The education system.
Old value:: There is a free public education system and a small number of private schools, which are heavily regulated to ensure they teach adequate skills and information.
Current: Education is a matter of local governments.
Proposed: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:07:02, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Socialist Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Rt Hon Stephen Myerson MP, Chancellor of the Exchequer Mr Speaker, this legislation is ill thought out and could lead to private establishments not teaching the full national curriculum. Our party strongly believes that all children should be educated in the same way, therefore we oppose this legislation. |
| Date | 12:18:49, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Rt Hon Viscount Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, it is exactly the reasons stated by the Labour Leader that show what an outdated party they are. Labour live in a world where they believe everyone is equal. The HCP are realists. Unfortunatley everyone is not equal. Therefore there is no basis for an equal education system! If people want to pay extra money for their childrens education then so be it. Who are Labour to tell people how to spend their own personal money? Mr Speaker, private schools would benefit this state. Under the status quo we are spending a fortune in funding these state schools and due to heavy regulation there is almost hardly any private schools. We need to loosen the restrictions on private schools and as for the curriculum arguement? Well its silly really. If a private school is not teaching what is required then people will no longer send their children to it and it will close down - it essentially regulates itself in these terms. The arguement of the Labour party is essentially defunct now - they just oppose privitisation full stop. |
| Date | 12:27:23, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Socialist Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Rt Hon Stephen Myerson MP, Chancellor of the Exchequer Mr Speaker, it is not outdated to believe in equality. What is outdated is the Conservative insistence that the wealth of your parents should determine your chances in life. This medieval view is damaging to all. In more equal societies everyone is better off: crime is lower, people are more content and all have a more equal chance at success. Mr Speaker, those people only got that money through the security of the Hutorian state. The government does have the right to tax its citizens in exchange for the conditions for prosperity which it provides. Clearly the Leader of the Opposition has never heard of the Social Contract. Mr Speaker, if left to their own devices private schools might teach creationism and other nonsense. If we are to make sure our children our familiar with real science, not fairy tales, then we must regulate schools to make sure they have a proper curriculum. |
| Date | 12:56:26, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Rt Hon Viscount Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, we are more than aware of what the Social Contract entails. It is more to do with the people consenting that their government has the right to rule over them - rather than an emphasis on taxation which the Labour member seems to have suggested. Also as far as i am aware there is no such official document within Hutori so the member is incorrect if he believes Hutori has an official contract between people and state. Mr Speaker, on this issue. I know the Chancellor has got used to dictating how money is spent in Hutori. It seems he is just bitter that there is a way for people to spend their money without him getting his hands on it. |
| Date | 17:47:05, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Left Socialist Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, this proposed bill is an abomination, and all people of conscience should oppose this attempt to codify social darwinism as a matter of public policy into our society. This measure is an assault on the children of our country, and will in fact institutionalize class differences by insuring that children of poorer parents will be denied the opportunity to make the the most of themselves when they enter adulthood by having inferior educational opportunities. We will use every ounce of our resolve to vigorously oppose it. |
| Date | 18:56:12, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Rt Hon Viscount Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, it is nice to see that the Left Socialist Party actually turn up and adress this House on occassion. I believe that their lack of a vote on the Speaker of the House is an abomination and their lack of participation is disgraceful. On this issue. Their party is like Labour - standing on issues on an outdated ideology. Simply out of touch with the people and that reflects in their standing in the general election past. |
| Date | 19:56:40, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Left Socialist Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The most recent comments by the Hutorian Conservative Party illustrate that party's intellectual and moral bankruptcy. When it is pointed out that their policies would result in children of poor parents receiving an inferior education and that would in turn affect their abilities to function as adults, they offer no response, instead changing the subject and talking about a completely different issue. Since, the last time we checked, this is the debate of the Education Act of 3132, then bringing up other issues is simply a way for the extreme right wing of this country to dodge the issue at hand. I would suggest that the Hutorian Conservative Party should proudly proclaim their reactionary views rather than run and hide from them. They should admit that they have no problem with the children of poor parents getting and inferior education, that they have no problem with the perpetuation of poverty and social injustice, rather than cowardly changing the subject and hiding from their morally bankrupt values that are completely incompatible with what the Hutorian people actually believe. Their fear in admitting publicly and openly that these are the consequences of their barbaric views shows how craven the far right really is in this country. |
| Date | 20:50:22, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Rt Hon Viscount Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, barbaric views? What, that we support privatisation? Barbaric is the state dictating every aspect of daily life which is essentially what the socialist/communist doctrine entails which the LSP support. We can clearly state what we believe. We believe in an education system where people can choose whatever school they want to send their children to. We will not dictate to the people that their children must attend a state school and take parental choice away from the people. The Hutorian people can make their own decisions on whatever school they want to send their children to. Mr Speaker, if our views are so "morally bankrupt" then why do the people continually support us? Unless, god forbid its what the people actually want! Unlike the LSP who have now come from the corridors of silence to the self-appointed "righteous voice" of the Hutorian Parliament and with what? Twenty-nine MP's? Well we know what the people think of their views then. Mr Speaker, the HCP supports freedom of choice. The right of citizens to send their children to whatever school they desire. We are realists - not utopianists. We are setting up an education system that suits the people best without trying to turn the system into something that doesnt work. The other parties in this House are living in the past on their communist doctrines and it shows in their electoral support. The HCP is the single biggest party in Hutori by a good margin simply because our views are supported by the people of this land. The LSP would do well to follow our lead. |
| Date | 21:53:50, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Left Socialist Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The Hutorian Conservative Party continues to defend its assault on the poor children of this country by refusing to just come right out and say what we all know to be the case--that the children of poor parents will have an inferior education. Their cowardly refusal to just come right out and defend this view that they hold dear illustrates their craven nature. The Hutorian Conservative Party also continues to state blatant falsehoods when it claims that "the people continue to support us." If the Hutorian Conservative Party thinks that when 60% of the voters voted against them in the last election that this constitutes "support" by the people of our country, then the HCP needs to get a lesson in math, which again seems consistent with their educational philosophy of giving an inferior education to the children of our poor. Perhaps a lesson in the difference between a majority and a plurality would also be useful. Of course, we know exactly what they want. Denying an equal education to all of our nation's children is something that they fully support. This kind of moral barbarism is what we stand against. We want all children, regardless of the income of their parents, to be afforded the opportunity to have the best education possible. |
| Date | 23:14:04, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Rt Hon Viscount Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, firstly on the issue of electoral support. In a four party system we polled 40% of the vote. Naturally three parties should out poll one party. The HCP is just showing how popular we are by winning election after election - 154 seats to 29 really speaks for itself. I am sure the people will show just what a small party the LSP is in good time. Mr Speaker, there is no "assault on the poor" there is simply a realist approach here. There is no possible way that the LSP's proposed plans would work. The HCP realises there will always be rich and poor - unless the LSP propose abolishing money? - we are simply creating a system that allows people to spend what they earn. If you have a decent job with a decent wage why can people not spend that on their children? Is that unreasonable? Mr Speaker, i believe that it is not. Due to the standardised testing system used in Hutori - the natural ability of any child - rich or poor - will shine through regardless. To state otherwise is simply refusing to acknowledge the truth. Regardless of how much money is spent on a rich child in school - if a poorer child is smarter then it will be the poorer child that will advance through the system and obtain a better job in the end. That is the way the system should work. I know the LSP want to brainwash the Hutorian people into their communist ideology. I also know that the Hutorian people have always overcome communism whenever it rears its ugly head in this state Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, i believe the LSP needs to realise that they are the third biggest socialist party in Hutori. Their own brand of socialist ideology has even less support than the Liberal Democrats and is it a coincidence that the socialist party politically closest to the HCP is the biggest? I dont think so. The LSP need to realise they are just a small party at present. Mr Speaker the LSP education proposal is simply unrealistic and i have yet to see them enter a Bill into the House to try and reform it in their vision. Has a LSP Bill even passed into law yet? The HCP will always put our ideas forward - not just slander others while not putting our own ideas forward. |
| Date | 23:33:50, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Left Socialist Party | To | Debating the Education Act of 3132 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Once again, the HCP continues to fail to understand the difference between a plurality and a majority, but that is neither here nor there. The HCP knows fully well that the results of elections change, that parties gain and lose seats over time, that relying on how many seats a given party has to prove something is meaningless, and--most importantly--none of that has anything to do with the merits of this bill. The HCP continues to divert debates away from the merits of bills in making specious and irrelevant arguments about subjects like who has the largest representation in this body. This seems to be the hallmark of the HCP's "debating" techniques, which is to refuse to stick to the issues at hand. I suggest that the HCP do its research before it asks rhetorical questions that it thinks it knows the answers to but does not. If the HCP would do its research it would know whether any of our bills have been passed. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 154 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 155 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 82 |
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| Random quote: "For every action there is an equal and opposite government program." - Bob Wells |