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Bill: DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum
Details
Submitted by[?]: Genuine Progress Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3135
Description[?]:
| This bill aims to change the lyrics of the current national anthem. The basis for the move to change the anthem is primarily because it is a hugely outdated anthem. The law for the current national anthem was originally passed in 2693 (see: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=235296) and had put a huge emphasis on the defeat of the dictatorial regime of the Saiser, virtually putting aside all other events and political developments that happened before and after that year. This is evidenced by the following lyrics in the current anthem: "The Saiser defeated Fascism crushed by Alorian hands" We suggest that we revert back to one of Aloria's previous anthem, that being "Freedom In Aloria". It manages to express Aloria's desire for freedom and peace as well as putting an end to evil without being too political for a national anthem. However, changes would have to be made with that anthem as well. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The lyrics of the national anthem.
Old value:: Not long ago on this land of ours Dark shapes landed seeking power Bringing death and destruction They came to enslave us A spirit they awoke in Aloria's heart To End our Enslavement To fight the invaders Independence or Death Victory, Democracy and Freedom They never surrendered To Fascism's might They fought for the freedom of all generations The Liberty of the future Secured by their blood The Saiser defeated Fascism crushed by Alorian hands Long live Aloria, united and free. Shining in glory for all men to see.
Current:
| 𝐀𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 (𝐖𝐞𝐥𝐬𝐡): Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi, Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri; Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mâd, Tros ryddid gollasant eu gwaed. Gwlad! Gwlad! Pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad. Tra môr yn fur i'r bur hoff bau, O bydded i'r hen iaith barhau. Hen Alôr fynyddig, paradwys y bardd, Pob dyffryn, pob clogwyn, i'm golwg sydd hardd; Trwy deimlad gwladgarol, mor swynol yw si Ei nentydd, afonydd, i fi. Gwlad, &c. Os treisiodd y gelyn fy ngwlad tan ei droed, Mae hen iaith yr Alôr mor fyw ag erioed, Ni luddiwyd yr awen gan erchyll law brad, Na thelyn berseiniol fy ngwlad. Gwlad, &c. 𝐒𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 (𝐂𝐨𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐡): Bro goth agan tasow, dha fleghes a'th kar, Gwlas ker an howlsedhes, pan vro yw dha bar? War oll an norvys 'th on ni skollys a-les, Mes agan kerensa yw dhis. Alor! Alor, y keryn Alor; An mor hedre vo yn fos dhis a-dro 'Th on onan hag oll rag Alor! Gwlaskor Myghtern Trystan, an Sens kens, ha'n Gral Moy kerys genen nyns yw tiredh aral, Ynnos jy pub karn, nans, menydh ha chi A gows yn Alorek dhyn ni. Alor, &c. Yn tewlder an bal ha war donnow an mor, Pan esen ow kwandra dre diryow tramor Yn pub le pynag, hag yn keniver bro Y treylyn kolonnow dhiso. Alor, &c. 𝐔𝐥𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐚𝐧 (𝐁𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐨𝐧): Ni, Aloriz a galon, karomp hon gwir vro! Brudet eo an Arvor dre ar bed tro-dro. Dispont 'kreiz ar brezel, hon tadoù ken mat, A skuilhas eviti o gwad. O! Alor, ma bro, me 'gar ma bro. Tra ma vo mor 'vel mur 'n he zro, Ra vezo digabestr ma bro! Alor, douar ar Sent Kozh, douar ar varzhed, N'eus bro all a garan kement 'barzh ar bed. Pep menez, pep traoñienn d'am c'halon zo ker, Eno 'kousk meur a Vreizhad taer! Alor, &c. Ar Alored 'zo tud kalet ha kreñv. N'eus pobl ken kalonek a-zindan an neñv. Gwerz trist, son dudius a ziwan enno. O! pegen kaer ez out, ma bro! Alor, &c. 𝐃𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐨𝐫𝐟𝐢𝐚𝐧 (𝐆𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐧): Das alte Land meiner Väter ist mir teuer. Land der Barden und Sänger, berühmter Männer; Seine tapferen Kämpfer, hervorragenden Patrioten, für Freiheit vergossen sie ihr Blut. Land, Land, treu bin ich meinem Land, während die See eine Mauer für das reine, geliebte Land bildet, oh, möge die alte Sprache überdauern. Altes bergiges Alorien, Paradies der Barden, Jedes Tal, jede Klippe ist meinen Augen schön; Durch patriotische Gefühle, sehr reizvoll ist das Rauschen Ihrer Bäche und Flüsse mir. Land, &c. Wenn der Feind bedrückt unter seinem Fuß mein Land, Die alte Sprache der Alolischer bleibt so lebendig wie nie, Die Muse ist nicht von der furchtbaren Hand des Verrats gehindert, Weder die melodische Harfe meines Landes. Land, &c. 𝐋𝐮𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 (𝐄𝐧𝐠𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐡): The land of my fathers is dear to me, Old land where the minstrels are honoured and free; Its warring defenders so gallant and brave, For freedom their life's blood they gave. Home, home, true I am to home, While seas secure the land so pure, O may the old language endure. Old land of the mountains, the Eden of bards, Each gorge and each valley a loveliness guards; Through love of my country, charmed voices will be Its streams, and its rivers, to me. Home, &c. Though foemen have trampled my land 'neath their feet, The language of Aloria still knows no retreat; The muse is not vanquished by traitor's fell hand, Nor silenced the harp of my land. Home, &c. |
Proposed:
| Freedom In Aloria Instead of tyranny and darkness, We choose freedom and peacefulness. Liberty prevails in this path of ours. The road to freedom where evil cowers. Freedom, Aloria! Freedom, Aloria! Onward! Freedom in Aloria! Let goodness reign in our state, As we move forward and cease the hate. From our green mountains to our blue seas, We strive for freedom, we strive for peace. Freedom, Aloria! Freedom, Aloria! Onward! Freedom in Aloria! |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:56:41, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | As you can see in the bills below, I had never been a fan of the current national anthem: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=234666 http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=235296 And for those interested, here are the lyrics of the old Alorian anthem "Freedom in Aloria": http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=39067 |
| Date | 19:28:59, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | Here's my modified version of "Freedom in Aloria": Freedom In Aloria Instead of tyranny and darkness, We choose freedom and peacefulness. Liberty prevails in this path of ours. The road to freedom where evil cowers. Freedom, Aloria! Freedom, Aloria! Onward! Freedom in Aloria! Let goodness reign in our state, As we move forward and cease the hate. From our green mountains to our blue seas, We strive for freedom, we strive for peace. Freedom, Aloria! Freedom, Aloria! Onward! Freedom in Aloria! |
| Date | 04:11:30, June 08, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | Give me some more time on this. So I have a chance to really look. Been busy this entire week |
| Date | 04:15:11, June 08, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | No problem. With elections slowly coming, we couldn't possibly pass this as a law yet. |
| Date | 08:32:36, June 08, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | I don't like the current anthem either. I mean seriously, what is a Saiser? The only thing I can think of is Kaiser which is German for Emperor and they had nothing to do with Fascism. Plus why is the anthem making all these references to Fascism? Lastly, I do agree with you that the anthem is too political, it really should be something different. |
| Date | 02:57:44, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Urban Party of Rutania | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | OOC: Sorry to butt in but if you want to know why Aloria's Anthem is as such, it was because of the War between Aloria and the New World Order (NWO) back in the mid to late 27th Century. Aloria was actually occupied for a fair amount of time until it was liberated. If you want to know more go here: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/History_of_Aloria#War_and_Occupation:_The_New_World_Order_.282653-2672.29 |
| Date | 05:55:16, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | The UPR is correct in this one. I was actually a part of that war with the New World Order. The leader of the NWO during that time was called the Saiser. Once the war ended victoriously, the different parties decided to change the anthem. (link: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=234458). Each party gave out their suggestions for the anthem's lyrics. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to pitch in my own contribution. Eventually, they decided withe the anthem that we have right now. I didn't like it then because it focused too much on the Saiser and ending fascism, which I believe is too political for a national anthem. And since we have been engaged in more political events and wars after that, the anthem feels outdated already and is too focused on a specific period of Alorian history. |
| Date | 06:59:43, June 09, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | The current anthem was a right way to go long time ago but, it is out dated and to political. We will support your modified verison of the freedom one. |
| Date | 07:11:31, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | Alright. Voting will begin after the elections (which is a few hours from now). By that time, the voting process won't get restarted. |
| Date | 07:15:25, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | Although, do any of the lyrics in the proposed anthem have anything to do with political events "Instead of tyranny and darkness, we chose freedom and peacefulness." ? That seems like it is also making reference to that Saiser NWO thing. But don't get me wrong I don't like the current one simply because as far as I'm concerned there is no such word as "Saiser" (OOC: Well at least not in English, German or Afrikaans-Afrikaans is a dialect of Dutch spoken in South Africa if you didn't know what it was.) |
| Date | 07:21:27, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | I don't think so. Then again, I wasn't there when they first created "Freedom in Aloria". But even if it is, it's not as political as the current one. |
| Date | 07:31:47, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | Although in fairness, to put into perspective a lot of anthems in the world today are very political and historical. Like our Irish anthem "The Soldier's Song" is about the Irish Civil War in 1919. Also the French anthem which is probably one of the best ones out there is about the French war with Austria just after the Revolution in the 1780's. Even the Soviet one was all about Lenin and their revolution and struggles. So when you think about it some of the best anthems in the world today are political and about the nation's long past. |
| Date | 11:03:10, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | This is something else i can think of, not very original because its nearly a copy of the German anthem but I like, because I can understand it, its not political and I'm German on my father's side so here it is: Peace and freedom and prosperity For the Alorian fatherland! For these let us all strive United with heart and hand! Peace and freedom and prosperity Are the pledge of fortune Flourish in this fortune's blessing. Flourish, Alorian Fatherland! Flourish in this fortune's blessing. Flourish, Alorian Fatherland! |
| Date | 12:02:36, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | I admit beforehand that I might be a bit biased with what I say, but I think it lacks rhythm. |
| Date | 12:40:47, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | I wouldn't say so, this is the rhythm to it here As you will notice, it matches the rhythm in English just as well as as in German, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9I6dgKgGSs |
| Date | 17:42:54, June 09, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | Well, I gotta say that the anthem of Germany has a really nice music. And I seem to be catching on with the music's rhythm. (Though I was actually referring to the poetic rhythm and not the musical rhythm.) But then again, I can see that much of its lyrics is indeed adapted from the English translation of the German national anthem. As much as possible, the lyrics of our national anthem should be original. |
| Date | 08:35:33, June 10, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | I did actually change a few lines and words around but yes, most of it is from Das Deutschlandlied. Of course, what I left is not a direct translation because some things get lost in translation and some words in German wouldn't make sense if it were exactly in English. Yes, but you are right in saying it isn't original but hey, its a good anthem at least it isn't political and doesn't make any reference to past events which you don't want. I also chose this one because its a good anthem and for some reason I like speaking German more than I like speaking English, I even like speaking Afrikaans more than English. |
| Date | 19:13:48, June 10, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | For some reason, I'm still leaning towards the first anthem. Apart from being less political, I believe that our anthem with should not have lyrics similar to that of another nation. PP, what is your take on this? |
| Date | 17:43:15, June 12, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | I've decided to use the revised "Freedom in Aloria" lyrics for this proposal, so that the anthem can at least be changed. |
| Date | 11:25:37, June 13, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the DEBATE: National Anthem Revision Forum |
| Message | I will vote no. |
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