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Bill: Defend Aloria Act of 3134
Details
Submitted by[?]: New Aloria Party (NAP)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3137
Description[?]:
| "This will create contoversy but this has led to many succesful capatures of terroists in the past, and it is very gravely used in Aloria. However without this proposed law to passed we are setting ourselves up for attacks, and Aloria can not be attacked again. I will add on to this bill that this is only allowed to be used with permission from the Justice Minister". This bill allows: 1.) The use of torture under grave emergencies where the information is vital. 2.) The use of torture may only be used if approved by the Justice Minister. 3.) The President may overrule the Justice Minister if he sees fit. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:17:01, June 10, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the Defend Aloria Act of 3134 |
| Message | Does torture really get information out of them? Most of the time they are too stubborn to provide anything and love being tortured or they tell fibs just to get out of the pain. Then it leaves the victim with a lifetime of physical, mental and emotional strain and sometimes even the person who's carrying out the torture. So I don't really think its a great idea when you look at it from the bigger picture. |
| Date | 19:48:46, June 10, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Defend Aloria Act of 3134 |
| Message | It has helped countries get information before. If Aloria arrested a terroist on our soil and we used torture to get information about terroist plans it would protect the nation. Who cares if the TERROIST has physical, mental, or emotional strain, he/she is a terroist. |
| Date | 11:25:00, June 13, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the Defend Aloria Act of 3134 |
| Message | But surely there are people who just make up things so they wont get beaten up. We can't trust everything they say. Plus, it should be the responsibility of the Prime Minister to overrule the decision of the Justice Minister not the President. As the PM is in charge of all the Ministries and cabinet positions thats why they are head of government not the President. |
| Date | 12:17:38, June 14, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the Defend Aloria Act of 3134 |
| Message | Also, I'm not condoning terrorism or terrorists in any way but when you look at it past the stereotypes many "terrorists" as they're called aren't bad people. I mean, some things they do is bad but many people who can be classified as "terrorists" are actually fighting for a just cause and what they believe is right. So to sum up, every life is a life and even though there are people who go to extremes like attacking civilians many in that same category do not and are just fighting for what they believe to be a good cause. |
| Date | 02:05:07, June 15, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Defend Aloria Act of 3134 |
| Message | The Prime Minister is getting to much power, not enough power to the President. |
| Date | 08:31:07, June 15, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the Defend Aloria Act of 3134 |
| Message | That is the way a Parliamentary system is, the president has their powers and the Prime Minister has theirs. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 111 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 289 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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