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Bill: Death Penalty Abolition

Details

Submitted by[?]: Jakanian Liberal Socialists

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 2145

Description[?]:

This bill seeks to make murder in all forms an unacceptable practise in United Jakania, and abolish the death penalty with regards to all crimes and sentences.

This bill also asserts that should a criminal appeal be successful, the subject will be compensated by the government.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date18:31:36, November 21, 2005 CET
From Conservative Militarist Party
ToDebating the Death Penalty Abolition
MessageWe will vote against. We are however willing to compromise and only allow it for terrorist acts and crimes against humanity.

Date19:04:25, November 21, 2005 CET
From Islamic Nationalist Front
ToDebating the Death Penalty Abolition
MessageThe NLP fails to see the reasoning behind supporting the death penalty in cases of politically-motivated mass murder, but opposing it in "regular" cases of serial murder. If we accept the principle of a life for a life, it should have no exceptions dependent on the murder's motivation behind the crime or the number of people he killed.

We might be willing to change our stance on capital punishment, provided that the JLS or another party can offer satisfactory arguments against it. The deontological argument that the death penalty denies an individual's right to life is insufficient -- one could likewise claim that imprisonment denies an individual's right to liberty or that punitive, non-compensational fines deny an individual's right to property. Fines, imprisonment and the death penalty are all punishments applied not just to any individual, but specifically to those individuals who infringe upon the rights of others (i.e. commit a crime), with the actual punishment depending on the severity of the crime in question.

Date02:25:47, November 22, 2005 CET
From Jakanian Conservative Party
ToDebating the Death Penalty Abolition
MessageThe death penalty is an intrument that is the only effective way to permanantly deal with criminals. Criminals must know that if they kill another human being, it is over, finite.
The 3 Basic Rights are thus.
Life, Liberty, and Property
If you take away someone's right to property, you lose your own property.
If you take away someone's liberty you lose your own(jail)
if you take away someone's life, you lose your own.

Date02:57:44, November 22, 2005 CET
From Islamic Nationalist Front
ToDebating the Death Penalty Abolition
MessageThe NLP understands the arguments in favor of capital punishment. However, we will oppose it on the basis that criminal proceedings are fallible, even when they are just. Convicting an innocent man is unnaceptable under any circumstance. We still reject the JLS' claim that the death penalty is a breach of an individual's right to life, as this is subject to whether the man is innocent or guilty. We therefore request that the following be removed from the bill description:

"Recognising the hypocracy of the state's exemption from laws regarding murder, and the duty of the government to protect all of its citizens,
Also recognising that all of our citizens possess a Right to Life that may not be breeched by any individual or organisational body (a right, by definition, will apply to all, or shall be meaningless)..."

The NLP's stance on capital punishment also rests on the fact that an executed individual, should his innocence be proved after the fact, cannot be compensated for the injustice done onto him. We would, therefore, also request that this bill be amended to provide compensation for wrongly imprisoned individuals (only after their appeals have been granted). If these two requests are met, the NLP will support this legislation.

Date12:21:15, November 22, 2005 CET
From Islamic Nationalist Front
ToDebating the Death Penalty Abolition
MessageOOC: Thanks, JLS :)

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Total Seats: 165

no
  

Total Seats: 61

abstain
   

Total Seats: 24


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