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Bill: Freedom to Live
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Democrats Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3146
Description[?]:
| We do not need to government to know everything about us in their big databases. We do not need to show who we are everywhere we go. This is just an invasion of privacy and is another example of how big brother is watching over us like some sort of a God on earth. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Current: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Proposed: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:57:15, July 02, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | Idenity cards are like I.D.'s are they not? It would show your allowed to buy such products like tobacco, alchol. |
| Date | 09:47:11, July 02, 2011 CET | From | Social Democrats Union | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | Its much more than just that. If someone wants your ID, you can just show your diver's licence or passport. We have these stupid Identity Cards here in Germany. Its not compulsory to have them all the time with you but since driver's licence are not a legally acceptable way of identifying yourself, most carry the ID cards with them. You get them given to you at 16, on the front side it has your picture, signature, first and last names, place of birth, date of birth, nationality and expiry date. On the back, it has your eye colour, height in cm, address including street and house number, the date of issue and a code. I'm thinking all that information just to prove who you are? What if the card gets stolen and some identity thief or serial killer can use that information to take advantage of me? Then what? These ID cards are just dangerous and a clear invasion of privacy. |
| Date | 20:17:32, July 02, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | The question here is if this refers to a national ID card that shall be used for all purposes, or any identity card that the government may issue. SDU, your description of your identity card reminds me of the Postal ID that I acquired from my post office. I did this voluntarily because I needed some sort of identification to use when job-hunting. By that time, I no longer had my school ID, and I have no other ID to use to present to others when I go to companies to apply for a job. With that said, I believe that it would be more beneficial for all of us if we let citizens acquire their IDs voluntary instead. They shall not be issued by the government unless they choose to have the government do so. |
| Date | 06:54:33, July 03, 2011 CET | From | Social Democrats Union | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | GPA, you don't understand. Every German over the age of 16 is given one by the government, doesn't matter if they want it or not, they get it. However, it is not compulsory in theory, to carry it around but diver's licence or passports are not acceptable forms of identification so everyone carries it with them. What really worries me is that if that gets stolen, it can fall into the hands of an identity thief or serial killer and they have everything they need to know about me. Whereas a driver's licence or passport, it has minimal information about you and is not as dangerous as an ID card. Here are a few examples of a German ID card but most here only show the front as the back has all the important details and you wont be putting that on the internet. http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&xhr=t&q=personalausweis&cp=15&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=605&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi |
| Date | 06:56:24, July 03, 2011 CET | From | Social Democrats Union | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | And then click on "Bilder" at the top left on the screen, I forgot to go on images. |
| Date | 07:35:31, July 03, 2011 CET | From | Genuine Progress Alliance | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | After looking into the images, I can see that the content of the national ID card is very much similar to the Postal ID card, as you can see in the image below: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NQCgH97abDk/TT2WTxMUHFI/AAAAAAAAAUM/1b9Ex7p4Kg0/s1600/postal_id.jpg The front provides details on one's name, occupation, address, and signature. The back provides information on one's date and place of birth, height, hair color, eye color, complexion, and special marks. After reading more information, though, I can see that it's not a national ID card. So if this policy does not affect the issuing of ID cards in other government offices in Aloria (e.g. post office, social security, insurance, loan, health benefits, tax, voter's ID), then we may be able to agree to that. But then again, there's also the issue of using one national ID card for various government purposes instead of using different ID cards. If we consider this other perspective of using one ID to replace the functions of at least five government IDs, would it be okay to at least make it voluntary? |
| Date | 07:57:41, July 03, 2011 CET | From | Social Democrats Union | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | No, here in this context, the identity card we are talking about is the national identity card like we have in Germany. The government gives it to everyone, it is one ID card, acceptable in Germany and the rest of the European Union as a legal form of identification and I must show it to prove who I am e.g Voting, banking, airport, crossing the border into Switzerland (as Switzerland is not an EU member and there are border guards at the border) and so on. So, there is one national ID card here which can be used for anything. However, the real problem is that if that gets lost or stolen it is a serial killer's and identity thief's wet dream. That is the main concern I have. Why can't I just present my driver's licence to prove who I am? There is enough detail on there to prove who I am, so why not? |
| Date | 00:25:08, July 04, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | Doesn't the ID have your picture on it? If so how would a serial killer be able to use it to pose as you. |
| Date | 00:26:16, July 04, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | I say we should just do the voulntarry opition. |
| Date | 05:31:54, July 04, 2011 CET | From | Social Democrats Union | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | Erm...serial killers don't pose as other people. serial killers kill. Identity thiefs pose as other people. And on the ID card it has more than just your picture on it, if you go over what I said before, the ID card has basically everything a identity thief needs to know to steal your indentity. ' Like I said before, why should I put all this information on just one card to prove who I am when i can do that just as easily with a driver's licence or passport? Yes, I know not everyone drives, but they can present a healthcare card or passport or something similar. |
| Date | 06:28:36, July 04, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | Not everyone has a passport and healthcare cards don't have photo ID'S AS far as I believe. |
| Date | 07:20:08, July 04, 2011 CET | From | Social Democrats Union | To | Debating the Freedom to Live |
| Message | Alright, healthcare cards don't have a photo of you but there still are plenty of other ways of identifying yourself. If you had an ID card like I do, then you will know what a strange and dangerous thing it is. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 281 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 337 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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