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Bill: Federal Pensions
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Liberal Caucus
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3183
Description[?]:
| The need for federally mandate pensions is simple. The elderly need to be taken care of and it can be done one of two ways. 1) By a society that created a safety net to do so, or 2) The elderly taken care of themselves. A public pension does the best of both. It has people take care of themselves by paying in their youth, with government guiding the service to make sure it's effective. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Current: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:26:02, September 15, 2011 CET | From | Federal Republic Progressionist Party | To | Debating the Federal Pensions |
| Message | This is a good idea. |
| Date | 22:29:56, September 15, 2011 CET | From | United Liberal Caucus | To | Debating the Federal Pensions |
| Message | The United Liberal Caucus all wants to compromise. So the proposal has an optional private pension system so that more moderate and conservative parties could hopefully support the measure. - Grace S Lough Speaker of the United Liberal Caucus |
| Date | 00:38:13, September 16, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Federal Pensions |
| Message | The right to a secure retirement and pension is a fundamental one for the middle and working class. Labour is strongly in favor of this legislation to ensure a social safety net for retired workers. Ryan Schroeder Leader, Labour Party |
| Date | 02:04:29, September 16, 2011 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Federal Pensions |
| Message | "The Conservatives are dedicated to minimum Government and maximum choice. We therefore oppose on the basis that offering both public and private pensions optionally maximise freedom." Matheus Kennedy, Conservative & Unionist Party |
| Date | 02:13:48, September 16, 2011 CET | From | United Liberal Caucus | To | Debating the Federal Pensions |
| Message | What happens when someone does not save for retirement and healthcare and ends up in the hospital when they are elderly and not working?! The safety net will be forced to cover them in full. This way the government makes people save for the future. In a way it is government having people take care of THEMSELVES. -Grace S. Lough Speaker of the United Liberal Caucus |
| Date | 02:23:18, September 16, 2011 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Federal Pensions |
| Message | "Personal responsibility is not spoon-fed! If you force something upon someone- that is not taking responsibility; that is not helping themselves, that is not progress. If they end up in hosptial; they are paid for BY THE NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE that this party has backed and supported for the last 300 YEARS!" Matheus Kennedy, Conservative & Unionist Party Leader |
| Date | 03:34:50, September 16, 2011 CET | From | United Liberal Caucus | To | Debating the Federal Pensions |
| Message | Then why not support the indivdual backing some of the cost, with the continued help of the National Health Service to protect them. -Grace S. Lough Speaker of the United Liberal Caucus |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 22 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 213 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 168 |
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