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Bill: An end to the Death Penalty
Details
Submitted by[?]: Libertarian Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3209
Description[?]:
It's time to end this stupid and barbaric practice of the death penalty for various reasons: -It's actually cheaper to keep them in prison for life (OOC: studies have proven this). -Terrorists actually prefer to be killed rather than to rot in jail for life. They see the death penalty as a glorious thing and their supporters praise them as they have died as a martyr. -A quick death is far less painful and torturous than a slow death in a prison cell. -The death penalty has not been proven to deter crime (OOC: studies have proven this too). -Most importantly, if someone gets put to death, but later is actually found to be innocent, then what? So before you make your typical right wing "kill the bastards" argument, I ask you to look at the facts beforehand. Or is that too much of a task for the right wing? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 00:11:26, November 06, 2011 CET | From | Democratic Party of Aloria [DPA] | To | Debating the An end to the Death Penalty |
Message | Nope way. There are people who deserve to die, say terrorists who have killed thousands of people. |
Date | 00:17:18, November 06, 2011 CET | From | Libertarian Alliance | To | Debating the An end to the Death Penalty |
Message | Read the description now, you commented before I put that in. |
Date | 00:24:19, November 06, 2011 CET | From | Democratic Party of Aloria [DPA] | To | Debating the An end to the Death Penalty |
Message | Still would rather have it in effect |
Date | 00:26:27, November 06, 2011 CET | From | Libertarian Alliance | To | Debating the An end to the Death Penalty |
Message | Thought you would.... Please, tell my why, prove to me how is the death penalty a viable way to punish crime when it clearly is not? |
Date | 00:30:33, November 06, 2011 CET | From | Democratic Party of Aloria [DPA] | To | Debating the An end to the Death Penalty |
Message | First of all the part of your sentence "when it clearly is not?" sounts snottish to me. Now down to business: "It's actually cheaper to keep them in prison for life " Depends how you kill them, i think a simple gunshot is cheaper than keeping them in prison for who knows how long. "Terrorists actually prefer to be killed rather than to rot in jail for life. They see the death penalty as a glorious thing and their supporters praise them as they have died as a martyr" While they may be a martyr, they also won't live another day to possibly escape and harm Aloria again. They die and there is no way to escape. "The death penalty has not been proven to deter crime" Look above and this is not for everyday crimes. These are things that are "except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind." "Most importantly, if someone gets put to death, but later is actually found to be innocent, then what?" Only one I agree with as a valid point. However, if its a simple crime of murder or theft, they won't get put to death. |
Date | 02:16:09, November 06, 2011 CET | From | Libertarian Alliance | To | Debating the An end to the Death Penalty |
Message | *Sigh* let me rebut your arguments one last time. "Depends how you kill them, i think a simple gunshot is cheaper than keeping them in prison for who knows how long". Now first of all, you don't say "I think", that is no way to prove your point and by doing so you're completely ignoring that facts and listening to your thoughts instead. (OOC. Here's a link if you still "think" that you're right. http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-cost"). "While they may be a martyr, they also won't live another day to possibly escape and harm Aloria again. They die and there is no way to escape." Yeah, and? I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about their supporters. Once their role model gets killed, his or her followers decide to either get revenge for the killing or copy what they did to follow in their footsteps. That is the mentality of these people and is something you can't ignore. Unlike leaving them in prison however, the person is not dead and their supporters don't want revenge as much as they haven't been "martyred" yet. "Look above and this is not for everyday crimes. These are things that are except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind." Yeah, and? I'm talking about all crimes. No matter how big or small, you will always get these sorts of people no matter what you do. "Only one I agree with as a valid point. However, if its a simple crime of murder or theft, they won't get put to death". Nice strawman. The question still stands though. |
Date | 09:35:02, November 06, 2011 CET | From | Tea Party | To | Debating the An end to the Death Penalty |
Message | It's obviously not cheaper to keep prisoners in prison for life, and life sentences are rarely kept to the full sentence either. Also, your snotty remarks about the right are quite embarrassing and somewhat childish. Just because there are parties following non-Socialist ideologies doesn't mean you can hit out at us for that reason, unless, of course, your desire is for a dictatorship. |
Date | 09:46:31, November 06, 2011 CET | From | Libertarian Alliance | To | Debating the An end to the Death Penalty |
Message | Yeah, says the one who's comments nearly always include remarks about the left or socialism.... |
Date | 09:51:07, November 06, 2011 CET | From | Libertarian Alliance | To | Debating the An end to the Death Penalty |
Message | *whose |
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Voting
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yes | Total Seats: 346 | ||||
no |
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