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Bill: Budget proposal of August 2147
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2149
Description[?]:
| The Dolgar Unionist Party propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the Dolgarian Empire. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 7,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 15,000,000,000 DLD |
| Foreign Affairs | 12,500,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 25,000,000,000 DLD |
| Internal Affairs | 120,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 10,000,000,000 DLD |
| Finance | 100,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 10,000,000,000 DLD |
| Defence | 90,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 500,000,000,000 DLD |
| Justice | 65,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 10,000,000,000 DLD |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 55,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 600,000,000,000 DLD |
| Health and Social Services | 35,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 800,000,000,000 DLD |
| Education and Culture | 10,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 600,000,000,000 DLD |
| Science and Technology | 55,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 500,000,000,000 DLD |
| Food and Agriculture | 3,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 10,000,000,000 DLD |
| Environment and Tourism | 5,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 10,000,000,000 DLD |
| Trade and Industry | 13,000,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 10,000,000,000 DLD |
| Total | 570,500,000,000 DLD | 0 DLD | 3,100,000,000,000 DLD |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:41:35, November 28, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | This budget should provide a good balance between essential services, as well as allowing for sufficient investment in our country's future. |
| Date | 16:13:36, November 28, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | Again, we privatized health care, so we probably dont need that much funding. other than that, this budget is similar to our current budget. Why bother with the change? |
| Date | 22:58:21, November 28, 2005 CET | From | Socio-Democratic Union | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | If tax are changed so that we can pay for that, it's okay for us. |
| Date | 17:26:39, November 29, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | " A government which robs Peter (the rich) to pay Paul (the poor), can always count on the support of Paul." – George Bernard Shaw What you are doing is robbing the rich of their hard-earned money to use it for social services and welfare that only help the poor! No, no, no! Stop raising all of these uncalled-for categories such as social services and edu. |
| Date | 10:13:51, November 30, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | No, a decent public health service helps everyone, not just the poor. And oddly enough, a large government run system is a lot more efficient than a fragmented private system, if merely due to the economics of scale and the relative ease of resource distribution... |
| Date | 16:14:25, November 30, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | Actually there was a very interesting thing on Panorama or something on Sunday, just before Rome (I was out last Wednesday, thus missed it). I haven't really watched it, as I just caught the end, as I couldn't be arsed to set the video properly for Rome. Anyway, it was going on about how investing in public services, education, healthcare and so on actually increases efficiency in the economy as a whole, and indeed increases overall productivity and stimulates growth. The example of Finland was interesting, their government spending as a proportion of GDP is around 45%, whilst in the UK it is 35% (according to the programme), yet the rate of growth is much, much higher, as is the overall standard of living, life expectancy, and well everything really. Ok, they have a high suicide rate, but that is because of the arctic circle, and well probably Vodka as well I'd guess. But other than that, and the fact that its bloody cold, I'd probably rather live in Scandinavia than anywhere else in the world to be honest.... Well if I could speak the language I would anyway.... |
| Date | 17:27:18, November 30, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | I would agree with education, that public money needs to be spent on it. Not necessarily health care. but I think that the rate of growth has little to do with investment in the public sector. And I know that you would like to live in a scandinavian country. I think i called that one like 50 bills ago, in a discussion somewhere. But regardless, when the government takes over in large ventures, such as health care, post office, etc, it not only stifles investment from the private sector, but it causes rampant unemployment, mostly because there are no new places for people to get jobs. It is the same with every country that has a large government morass. And yes, it is great that finland has a very high ($30,000) GDP per capita, and it is a great thing that their economy is geared toward the manufacturing sector (which makes their public sector a little more justified), but because government spending is so high, they have the chronic illness of socialism, High Unemployment. Finland = 9% France= >10% China =10% The only way to truly "make" jobs is by letting the private sector handle important industries. The Free Market takes care of a lot of industries. For example, If the US postal service was dissolved tomorrow, dont you think that about 10 companies would come and take its place? the USPS has an unfair government monopoly over the entire industry. If it were dissolved, and the 10 companies were allowed to emerge because of the marketplace, dont you think that the 10 companies would make a lot more jobs than that one big government monopoly? The only problem with this situation is that the USPS artificially inflates the GDP and profits for every company and every person. Because of HUGE government subsidies, The USPS makes shipping artificially cheap, and the economy runs at a much faster rate than it would without. But I am talking about Dolgaria, a world without a large government body that controls a 200 billion dollar private company. And finally, when was the last time that you got out of the post office in LESS than 30 mins. and when was the last time you ever saw the post office guys hurrying. and when was the last time that you saw more than one guy behind the counter scanning the packages. Point being, the government makes it a crappy business. There is no profit incentive, no incentive period for that matter. |
| Date | 22:07:45, November 30, 2005 CET | From | Socio-Democratic Union | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | [quote]And finally, when was the last time that you got out of the post office in LESS than 30 mins. and when was the last time you ever saw the post office guys hurrying. and when was the last time that you saw more than one guy behind the counter scanning the packages.[/quote] Last week at the central postoffice of my city. |
| Date | 23:28:04, November 30, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | Although I agree with CC, the only reason that France has >10% unemployment is because of the large amount of lazy, rioting, and dumb Arab and African immigrants that want welfare and such but don't want to work. I just suggest evicting 95% of them from Europe and throwing them back into their home countries. Like Stalin said: "When there's no person, there's no problem". |
| Date | 07:44:14, December 01, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | SDU, I have to ship my own packages for my business. Trust me, BY MYSELF, I end up spending 20 minutes AT THE COUNTER ALONE, not including the line. true, the amount of time spent can vary, but regardless, Quote"when was the last time you ever saw the post office guys hurrying. and when was the last time that you saw more than one guy behind the counter scanning the packages" An addendum to that quote, how often do you see one or two guys scanning the packages for a 30 person line, while there are 3 registers open with like 4 employees d1cking off? Almost every time i go in. |
| Date | 07:45:57, December 01, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | And at my Economists Society meeting, we talked about how privatization supports social mobility, both up and down. isnt that what you want DUP, social Mobility? both for the rich and for the poor? maybe we were on the same side all along DUP, just in my opinion, you were doing it the wrong way. |
| Date | 12:56:48, December 01, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 2147 |
| Message | Social mobility for the rich means the rich getting poorer? Whatever... Can somebody tell me how do I check voter retention? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 186 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 299 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 265 |
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