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Bill: Anti-Monopoly Movement
Details
Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Kafuristan
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2154
Description[?]:
| To honestly put to vote a reform against the ruling of Kafuristan by businesses and boardgames driven by greed. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Protection of original works of technology and arts.
Old value:: Works of technology and art are protected by copyright.
Current: Works of techology and art have limited copy protection.
Proposed: Technology and art are part of the commons and are not protected by copyright.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Tax percentage of the profit made by corporations.
Old value:: 0
Current: 25
Proposed: 25
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Radio stations.
Old value:: All radio stations are private.
Current: All radio stations are owned by the state.
Proposed: All radio stations are owned by independent non-profit-making cooperatives which receive no subsidies from the government.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Television stations.
Old value:: All television media are private.
Current: All television stations are owned by the state.
Proposed: All TV stations are owned by independent non-profit-making cooperatives which receive no subsidies from the government.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: Health care is entirely private.
Current: Health care is entirely public and free; private clinics are banned.
Proposed: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Current: Certain industries are owned by the state, all others are under private ownership.
Proposed: The state owns the commanding heights of the economy and all major industries, but private ownership is allowed in the minor industries.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards labor unions.
Old value:: Trade unions may exist and worker membership is voluntary.
Current: Only government-run trade unions exist and membership in them is voluntary.
Proposed: Trade unions may exist and all workers must have membership in one.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on luxury goods.
Old value:: 8
Current: 25
Proposed: 25
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change Secondary strike action.
Old value:: Secondary strike action is illegal. Workers and unions can only go on strike for their own pay and conditions.
Current: Secondary strike action is illegal. Workers and unions can only go on strike for their own pay and conditions.
Proposed: Any trade union can go on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Article 10
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on Democratic Workers' Councils.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Current: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Proposed: The government requires all businesses to be run by Democratic Workers' Councils.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:19:38, November 30, 2005 CET | From |  Grand National Party | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Businesses is what makes our people and this party rich. So no. |
| Date | 23:50:04, November 30, 2005 CET | From | The Raging Bull Zealots of Zidine | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | This is more pro-monopoly than not. |
| Date | 20:22:36, December 01, 2005 CET | From | Sect of the Green Moon | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Never! |
| Date | 03:33:23, December 02, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Government monopoly is a good monopoly. This bill opposes the bad forms of monopoly. |
| Date | 07:46:29, December 02, 2005 CET | From | The Raging Bull Zealots of Zidine | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | But there is nothing here that actually prevents a monopoly besides just banning businesses. Infact even where there wil be no govt business you're helping to create monopolys. |
| Date | 21:25:29, December 02, 2005 CET | From | Sect of the Green Moon | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | You restrict the rights of the people, and you are putting the economy in the hands of the few! You are making a monopoly, and the average person is an idiot! Your economic plans shall ruin us, the people won't know how to run a business! |
| Date | 22:44:13, December 02, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | ...The businesses are being put in the hands who work them. It is taking the factories from the fat white men of Kafuristan and handing the control over to the determined hands who work. It stuns me when employers are not employees themselves. This movement prevents large industries which are ruled by one man behind a desk, but keeps sure the freedom to open a small business, where the employer actually helps out too. |
| Date | 22:29:26, December 03, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Now undergoing a pre-vote to see positions on this bill in its current state. |
| Date | 23:22:57, December 03, 2005 CET | From | Old School Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Ha! Hahaha! HA! HA! HAAAAA! |
| Date | 01:50:26, December 04, 2005 CET | From | Sect of the Green Moon | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | White, are racist AND weighest? Are you saying only fat white can run big businesses and factories? Now the large industries are run by many buerucrats and few politicians! Compare that to the top 1% controlling 20% of wealth. |
| Date | 04:20:06, December 04, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Primarily fat white men do run industries, which is obviously not incorrect. We are replacing that with the actual workers. |
| Date | 06:15:55, December 04, 2005 CET | From | Sect of the Green Moon | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | If the workers run corporations, who will work? |
| Date | 06:17:49, December 04, 2005 CET | From | Old School Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Since when did we have white men anyway? Aren't all Kafuris of the same general whiteness? |
| Date | 11:34:53, December 04, 2005 CET | From | The Raging Bull Zealots of Zidine | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | I was under the assumption that Kafuris werent white at all, more of a brown. And Employers are always employees, they provide work and require skills, moreso then the normal worker which is the reason they recive a wage at an inceased level. |
| Date | 01:37:50, December 05, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | To Economics: - The workers shall work and part-time manage in a democratic council. To Old School Liberals: - There has been a recent rise in immigration/emigration over the past few centuries, and it seems that the majority of large business owners are rich white male Artanians, which terribly harms our economy through exporting large sums of money and is havoc upon any remaining social equality. To Hasselhoffs Traditional Assholes: - I don't remember the last time I saw a factory owner inspect the actual factory, for he sits behind a desk usually. He also does not at all serve the interests of the employees. If the workers get together and compete for their factory for their profit, it will provide a much better managed economy (with less money wasted through oversight) as everyone along the line has a chance to spot inefficiencies and will not be required to work up the long line of command in order to inform somebody who can actually change the problem. If each factory manages itself, we won't have a man in Pabeus running factories in Hiamou and Tordary. |
| Date | 01:52:00, December 05, 2005 CET | From | Sect of the Green Moon | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Worker1: Hey, let's double our wages! Worker2: Let's half our work time! Worker3: Let's increase our health benifits! ...a month later... Worker1: We're losing money fast! Worker3: Don't worry, at least we still have our health. Worker2: Times will get better. ...6 months later... Bum1: I need rice! Bum2: *frozen to death* Bum3: My health *cough*, I wish - *cough* |
| Date | 01:58:36, December 05, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | No, you see, every industrial worker will consider their factory's production. If the times are going well and they are making a large profit, they will increase their wages as a reward, however they will know better than to drive the business into the ground. EP, educate the masses and let them live! Democracy in business is a great and required freedom. |
| Date | 02:17:13, December 05, 2005 CET | From | Old School Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | What's this? Why are people owning factories white male Artanians? Since when? You don't even have inaccurate numbers to back this up. God-modding is not cool. |
| Date | 02:38:51, December 05, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | It doesn't take a Pabeustine National University graduate to notice the fact that our economy is dominated by foreign investors from the "first-world" countries which have been developing for longer than we. In their eyes, we are all too often the poor Deltarian-related "new" countries to the global market being easy targets for exploit. Please, feel free to bring up some numbers that represent your native Kafuri businessmen managing our local market. Either way, it couldn't hurt to let the workers decide their own fates. |
| Date | 02:48:56, December 05, 2005 CET | From | Old School Liberal Party | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | What numbers show that foreigners own our industry? Just because we're poor doesn't mean that we're exploited, and even if we were exploited, that doesn't mean that we're being exploited by foreigners with allegiance to some foreign government; it doesn't work that way. Why don't YOU provide some numbers? Any numbers. Something that gives reason to believe that we are surviving off foreign investment. |
| Date | 03:06:33, December 05, 2005 CET | From | The Raging Bull Zealots of Zidine | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Ah, I assume you work in a factory then, you seem to know everything that would happen. If a employer doesnt check his factory, he hires someone to do it. NO employer ignores there workers, the interrest of the workers IS the interest of the company, if you keep giving profits to the workers then there will be no captial for investment or resouces, the company is unable to to compete in the market and fails. The high wages drives up prices, which would push up inflation. And the most efficent economy is a free economy, if a worker spots something inefficent then they will report it to anyone, in the hopes of getting noticed. A free market doesnt waste anywhere near what a controled market does, allowing for resouces to be used in inefficent markets(like the tv market) where overseas firms are able to produce them at half the cost to save a few jobs whereas a free market will change products to focus on what we are good at, moving workers (creating strucal unemployment) to other more productive and competive industries. |
| Date | 20:41:18, December 05, 2005 CET | From | Sect of the Green Moon | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | The average person is an idiot, example: Person(on cellphone, in car): You know, traffic is so slow on the Motorway! Other end of phone conversation: Really? Why? Person: I'm going nowhere! Person2(incar): Maybe it would help if you were pressing the gas pedal. Person: Oh, then- AHHHH!!! The car flys off the cliff. |
| Date | 22:25:51, December 05, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | It is the EP's lack of trust in a common person which places their party officials in the obvious fat-cat shoes of exploiting. Please bring up ANY numbers, positive or negative. There are none, we have to work with instinct, and most every poor and progressing nation becomes exploited. RL Malaysia and Singapore are examples of such, with Mexico border-line. China is exploted heavily because of their size, and the most common type of car in China is the Cadillac (because there is no middle class to buy any other type of car, only the wealthy and the working). Is the exploitation bad for Kafuristan's economy? Maybe not. Is it bad for those who work? Absolutely. As for free market being the most efficient, please explain why one truck of pine lumber passes another truck with the same lumber on the highway. |
| Date | 22:26:26, December 05, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | (Headed in opposite directions, mind you) |
| Date | 22:37:36, December 05, 2005 CET | From | The Raging Bull Zealots of Zidine | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Because a free market trys and keeps the costs as low as possible, to achieve this the private sector will develope new ways to produce and decease waste of resouces, a firm not driven by profit has no incentive to improve productivity because it doesnt matter what their costs of production are, they get the same anyway and would rather just wait for new technogies to become public, wasting a large number of resouces and falling behind the rest of the world. |
| Date | 22:14:07, December 08, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Unfortunately, your parties have struggled against every expense of business, such as waste disposal and environmental regulations. The business has no care to keep the environment reasonable or to keep the workers happy as long as they work for cheap. And please explain how there could be a "waste of resources" through such a method. |
| Date | 00:32:15, December 09, 2005 CET | From | The Raging Bull Zealots of Zidine | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | No, I struggle against almost every govt regulation. A waste of resouces is done by just that, wasting them. State owned firms do not develop new methods of production to lessen the costs of production(ie wasted resouces) |
| Date | 00:03:10, December 10, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | "No, I struggle against almost every govt regulation." Is that why you proposed the "Forced Faith Act" and "Confuzzing the masses" bill? http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=28303 |
| Date | 00:04:32, December 10, 2005 CET | From | The Raging Bull Zealots of Zidine | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Thus the use of the word, "almost" |
| Date | 00:08:13, December 10, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Everything but anything? |
| Date | 00:39:58, December 10, 2005 CET | From | The Raging Bull Zealots of Zidine | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Now your catching on. |
| Date | 05:45:53, December 10, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | I am not a fan of lies, for I prefer honest mud-slinging to cast my political opinions upon the population. |
| Date | 00:26:02, December 11, 2005 CET | From | The Raging Bull Zealots of Zidine | To | Debating the Anti-Monopoly Movement |
| Message | Lies, honesty same thing. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 56 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 188 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 21 |
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