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Bill: Military Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Patterson House
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3299
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Civil defence is the government's policy on providing shelters to be used in the event of attacks on major cities, mainly nuclear attacks and bombing.
Old value:: Local authorities are responsible for building and maintaining shelters.
Current: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Proposed: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Current: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:11:15, May 05, 2012 CET | From |  Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | Civilian national service (sometimes called "community service" as well) is just as important as military service. I think our citizens should still be able to have an option. |
| Date | 14:13:11, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Patterson House | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | Yes, but we shouldn't force them to join unless there is a reason such as a time of war. |
| Date | 14:20:04, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | It's not forcing them to "join" the military. They can serve in non-combatant departments that teach them valuable skills, like mechanics or engineering. The military is, by far, the most all-rounded structure there is, and there is a lot of technocracy involved. Under the current law, they will be paid for their military service. They will also be paid if they choose community service, but it's less money, and they're using/learning less skills. |
| Date | 14:37:28, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Patterson House | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | The law says they have to serve in some form of military service. We shouldn't force that upon them unless they want to join. |
| Date | 14:37:29, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Patterson House | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | The law says they have to serve in some form of military service. We shouldn't force that upon them unless they want to join. |
| Date | 14:37:29, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Patterson House | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | The law says they have to serve in some form of military service. We shouldn't force that upon them unless they want to join. |
| Date | 14:38:15, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Patterson House | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | OOC: Sorry about that, I don't know what happened. |
| Date | 14:45:14, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | The law says they have the options of military service and community service. They are obligated to choose 1, but don't twist it to say they have to serve some form of military service. They're allowed to choose civilian national service instead. There is a clear distinction between a soldier and a civilian. We could simply put the law to letting them serve civilian national service, while removing their chance to join the military, but some persons wouldn't like that, because the military does provide interesting opportunities in many fields of skill. Leave them with the option. |
| Date | 14:47:37, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Patterson House | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | And some people don't want to do either one of those options, so why should we force them if there isn't a real need to and they don't want to. |
| Date | 14:54:46, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | Community service is important. We would prefer to keep it in place as a way for persons to pay back the community for the taxes that sends them to school. They're paid, anyway. |
| Date | 15:53:02, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Patterson House | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | If they're being paid and are forced to do it, than it's not community service. Don't you think that volunteers should actually volunteer to do community service? |
| Date | 16:05:38, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Military Reform |
| Message | They're being paid a subsistence income for the term they serve the government right after completing school. That is "lesser paid" than if they were to take up the military option. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 43 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 56 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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