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Bill: Merging the Cabinet & Legislature
Details
Submitted by[?]: Beluz Democratic Karavist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3302
Description[?]:
| The Adamsons don't like the current system where the cabinet is separate from the legislature. They want to kick the role of the Commons in government, apart from just voting. They want the law to be set to only allow persons with "nobility" to be allowed in the cabinet. If this bill passes, you can't have more cabinet seats than the number of seats you have in the legislature (to keep things realistic). If the cabinet is made up of only aristocrats (people elected to the Federal Council of Aristocrats), what is the point of having the head of state separate from the head of government? If there is no difference between technocracy (persons appointed because of their knowledge/skills in certain areas), and direct vote, then we should just let the High Count lead the cabinet. If the Count is the head of the Federal Council, and the members of the cabinet are selected from the Federal Council, we might as well make the Count the head of the cabinet, since the Adamsons want the cabinet and the legislature to be within 1 body of "government" -- OOC: It would be funny to see the Queen of England, or one of her grandsons, in the cabinet. Anyway, if this bill passes, you're not allowed to leave the names, for your candidates for cabinet ministries, blank. You will need to come up with a name for a candidate for each ministry, or you will not allowed to be in the cabinet. All members should be members of your house/family, therefore having your house's surname, or something relevant where a relation can be proven. "This will make RP better" according to the Adamsons. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Current: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Proposed: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Prime Minister
Current: Prime Minister
Proposed: His Excellency, High Count
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:02:55, May 10, 2012 CET | From |  Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Merging the Cabinet & Legislature |
| Message | We will not support this. |
| Date | 08:28:33, May 10, 2012 CET | From | Beluzian National Party | To | Debating the Merging the Cabinet & Legislature |
| Message | OOC: Woah.. why proposing something you oppose? You've only proposed this so you can defeat it and make me look like a fool.. Why propose something and then vote against it? You've used great vocabulary 'kick', and included your own proposals: 'you can't have more cabinet seats than the number of seats you have in the legislature' that I did not mention once. If so, why didn't you just propose a Presidential system? You've established a County system with nobility. What is the point of having that when you insist that members of the government must be Commons. It's completely disregarding it. I was merely suggesting my proposal would be better for identity. It's not hard to insert candidate names. If people can't manage that then I don't know how they play the game. Also, you need to calm down a bit when people propose new ideas that you clearly see as a threat to you. '"This will make RP better" according to the Adamsons', grow up. |
| Date | 02:44:24, May 11, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Merging the Cabinet & Legislature |
| Message | OOC: "You've used great vocabulary 'kick', and included your own proposals: 'you can't have more cabinet seats than the number of seats you have in the legislature' that I did not mention once." Whether or not you did say this, it would be the result of what you want to implement. If the cabinet is "drawn from" the legislature, how can a house have more cabinet seats than it has in the legislature? If a house has 2 seats, it can't have 3 cabinet positions, because that would mean 1 extra person who is not in the legislature. "You've established a County system with nobility. What is the point of having that when you insist that members of the government must be Commons. It's completely disregarding it. I was merely suggesting my proposal would be better for identity." Members of the legislature are already considered to possess nobility as a result of being elected. In the UK, are the cabinet members Lords or Commons? Members of the government (the cabinet) are Commons in Beluzia; that is how it has always been, so they can be kicked/replaced or appointed. The legislature is separate from the Cabinet. "It's not hard to insert candidate names. If people can't manage that then I don't know how they play the game." I insert candidate names for some seats, but rarely, and I have to change them to stick to realistic years, unlike the Tory's "Andrew Stanton" who lived for over 200 years. Finally, we have an "Andrew Stanton Jr." "Also, you need to calm down a bit when people propose new ideas that you clearly see as a threat to you." We quoted you; big deal. -- What is the point of having a head of state and head of cabinet separate, when the Count is the head of the legislature and the cabinet is drawn from the legislature? In the UK, the cabinet is not drawn from the legislature. They have a bicameral system, where the legislature and what you know as "the parliament" are 2 completely different things. The cabinet is drawn from the Parliament, otherwise called "The House of Commons" meaning the Lords aren't a part of the cabinet. Once declared "a Lord" you can sit in the House of Lords, but not the cabinet or House of Commons. In your system, we wouldn't have the Commons running the cabinet, so why not just have the Count run it? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 72 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 27 |
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