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Bill: Civic Manifesto
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 3305
Description[?]:
| A bill to end communist rule in Hobrazia. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Current: All abortions are illegal.
Proposed: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy on advertising
Old value:: Only governmental organisation advertising is permitted.
Current: Only advertising that meets certain set standards is permitted.
Proposed: Only advertising that meets certain set standards is permitted.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning diplomatic immunity.
Old value:: The government grants no diplomatic immunity and foreign diplomats are subject to arrest and prosecution and civil action under all laws of the host nation.
Current: The government grants no diplomatic immunity and foreign diplomats are subject to arrest and prosecution and civil action under all laws of the host nation.
Proposed: The Government grants full diplomatic immunity and foreign diplomats are protected from arrests and prosecution from all laws and are protected from civil lawsuits, but may be expelled.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change
The government's policy regarding foreign investments.
Old value:: Foreign investors are not allowed to invest in national companies.
Current: Foreign investors need to obtain government approval for all investments in national companies.
Proposed: Foreign investors need to obtain government approval for all investments in national companies.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Current: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Proposed: Homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military actively seeks to remove homosexuals from it.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation.
Old value:: There shall be a minimum wage at a level considered a "living wage," well above the poverty line for a full time worker.
Current: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a full time worker on it can support a family of four without falling under the poverty line.
Proposed: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a full time worker on it can support a family of four without falling under the poverty line.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the organization of police/law enforcement
Old value:: There is a national police department, funded by the government.
Current: There is a national police department, funded by the government.
Proposed: There is a national police department funded by the national government and there are local police departments, funded by local governments.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, and membership is mandatory.
Article 10
Proposal[?] to change Sale of tobacco products.
Old value:: There are certain restrictions on the sale of tobacco and only adults may purchase tobacco.
Current: Only adults may purchase tobacco.
Proposed: There are no regulations on the sale of tobacco.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:38:49, May 17, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | No. Several of these suggestions are downright uncivilized and oppressive! |
| Date | 22:38:15, May 17, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | Unlike the perfectly civilized and democratic communist government... |
| Date | 23:17:56, May 17, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | We execute no one, we persecute no one, we do not tell what is moral and what isn't and we do not separate people by race, faith, gender or sexuality. As far as civil rights go, we're bloody saints. |
| Date | 02:15:25, May 18, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | The Communists have forsaken all morality and religion. God and/or Lord Hoba have forsaken their godless ways. |
| Date | 12:23:44, May 18, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | We have not forsaken religion, we just don't force it upon out citizens. Religion is a private matter. |
| Date | 13:21:19, May 18, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | This multicultural blandness will be the death of Hobrazian culture and way of life. We want to return to our sacred traditions of old, which have never failed us. |
| Date | 13:41:34, May 18, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | Hobaism is neither dead or dying. And Hobrazian culture is thriving. Your points are moot, distasteful and quite frankly a slap in the face of all Hobrazians. |
| Date | 13:47:53, May 18, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | Our national religions will always be alive in the hearts of the people. But the communists exile our ancient traditions from the public space to the homes of the faithful, making them little more than hobbies. We want Hobaism and Hobrazian Orthodoxy to inform and shape our government and our public life. |
| Date | 14:15:05, May 18, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | And what of the minorities of different beliefs? Or the atheists? A nation must be for everyone, not just a group of people defined by something as fluent as faith! |
| Date | 14:27:31, May 18, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | A nation open for everyone is no nation at all. Our nation is defined by its language, customs, and religions. A Hobrazian who forsakes the faith of his forefathers forsakes his nation, as he would if he abandoned his language. We are nevertheless open for limited toleration for the Church of Muzalkaz, considering its long history in our nation. |
| Date | 14:56:24, May 18, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | And what of the minorities of different beliefs? Or the atheists? A nation must be for everyone, not just a group of people defined by something as fluent as faith! |
| Date | 15:25:32, May 18, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the Civic Manifesto |
| Message | Minorities of different beliefs belong to different nations, and atheists are godless heathens that have no place in Hobrazia. The Hobrazian nation is defined by adherence to Hobaism, the Hobrazian Orthodox Church, or the Church of Muzalkaz. We do not wish to persecute recognized minorities belonging to their own faiths, but we cannot tolerate irreligious multicultural pseudo-Hobrazians. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |
| no | Total Seats: 749 | |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: The Real-Life Equivalents Index is a valuable resource for finding out the in-game equivalents of real-life cultures, languages, religions, people and places: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6731 |
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