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Bill: The Health Alliance
Details
Submitted by[?]: Jakania Solution For All Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3311
Description[?]:
| Private health agreement between the Nation of Jakania and the Coburan Health Alliance, This Agreement Shall be Called "The Health Alliance". Article 1. The Nation of Jakania agrees to allow the Coburan Healthcare Alliance to build 15 private hospitals and 25 private clinics within the borders of Jakania. Article 2. The Coburan Health Alliance must contract with Jakania companies to build and maintain all the Hospitals and clinics within the borders of Jakania. Article 3. The Coburan health Alliance will offer to the Coburan people transportation to the health alliance network of hospitals and clinics within the borders of Jakania. Article 4. The Coburan health Alliance must comply with the Jakania border controls and allows each citizen traveling from Cobura to be screened as the Jakania law says. Article 5. The Coburan health Alliance must comply with Jakania laws in regards to research,and healthcare policy. Article 6. All Coburan health Alliance hospitals and clinics, offices, research centers are not to be controlled by the Coburan Government and are NOT considered Coburan soil. Article 7. All security at the Coburan health Alliance hospitals, clinics offices and research centers must be contracted by a Jakania company. Article 8. The Coburan Health Care Alliance has full staff control of its Hospitals, Clinics, Offices and research centers. The Staff controls are limited to the Jakania laws in regards to unions, working hours ext. Article 9. The Coburan Health Alliance hospitals and clinics CAN NOT turn away any patients who enter their facilities that require immediate care. 10. The Coburan Health Alliance agrees to pay property tax of 15%, corporate tax of 20% , to comply with the laws of Jakania. 11. This agreement must be renewed every 12 yrs and cannot be broken prior to 10 years unless agreed by both parties. ============================================================================== The Coburan Health Alliance consists of 27 HMOs that operate in Cobura offering citizens a choice in healthcare. The HMOs offer health insurance to private citizens for a profit. The Health Alliance also offers health private healthcare to citizens who choose not to be insured and that distrust managed health care. The Coburan Health Alliance also gives healthcare to people free of charge who prove they can't afford private healthcare. Coburan Health alliance at one time insured over 70,000,000 coburans and employed over 300,000 people. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:52:11, May 25, 2012 CET | From | Jakania Solution For All Party | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | Due to the lack of healthcare our neighbor Cubura is facing, we will need to assist them in building fundamental healthcare system which would benefit both nation and helping bringing employment to our nation. |
| Date | 01:20:33, May 28, 2012 CET | From | Jakania Solution For All Party | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | If this is pass The nation of Cubura HealthCare alliance would have access to building hospital at our border and shall comply with the listed articles. |
| Date | 02:51:21, May 30, 2012 CET | From |  Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | "The Coburan government asks politely that the Jakanian government refrain from slandering our national health care system. How is it that the Jakanians can adjudge that Cobura is suffering from a 'lack of healthcare', especially when one considers that the Coburan health care system is better funded than the Jakanian system. Jakania currently spends $9,447,509,636 on health and social services, or $95 per citizen. Cobura spends $38,629,340,120 on health and social services, or $388 per citizen. Perhaps one of us is suffering from a lack of healthcare, but it certainly is not Cobura." - Jalila Abdullah, Foreign Affairs Minister OOC: All figures calculated in Lodamun dollars |
| Date | 03:35:00, May 30, 2012 CET | From |  Nacia Repuvlican partio de Kobura | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | Sorry Jalila Abdullah, Foreign Affairs Minister is incorrect thats Fuzzy math if he would take notice that in Jakania they have a choice of government healthcare or private so that would mean that not every persons depends on the Jakania government for healthcare. And yes Cobura spends $388.00 per citizen that means they get 2 advils a day.:-) Peter Decker Coburan Healthcare Alliance President |
| Date | 15:32:23, May 30, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | "Where is the money coming from then Mr. Decker? Because it certainly isn't coming from any phantom Coburan private health companies." - Jalila Abdullah, Foreign Affairs Minister OOC: You do realize that $388 (in Lodamun dollars) is $3,880 in U.S. dollars, right? Cobura spends roughly the same amount on health care as France and the UK. Don't try and imply our system is underfunded when it clearly isn't. |
| Date | 16:08:25, May 30, 2012 CET | From | Nacia Repuvlican partio de Kobura | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | The Alliance is funded by super rich corporations (investors) who want to make a profit. Profits are made over time and not all at once thats why a 12yr agreement was made. Peter Decker Coburan Healthcare Alliance President |
| Date | 03:08:51, May 31, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | "Which companies would those be? Non-existent ones?" - Jalila Abdullah, Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 12:18:58, May 31, 2012 CET | From | Nacia Repuvlican partio de Kobura | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC the ones you hate! |
| Date | 13:14:20, May 31, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC: They don't exist then? I guess we can declare this bill null and void then. |
| Date | 13:40:25, May 31, 2012 CET | From | Nacia Repuvlican partio de Kobura | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | Sorry you may have power in Cobura but the Revolucia Partio de Koburo is powerless in Jakania. This Agreement is made and ensures coburans have choice. As far as Cobura is concerned people are crossing the border to do personal business and returning. |
| Date | 16:32:29, May 31, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC: If the companies don't exist then this bill is null and void. |
| Date | 16:37:02, May 31, 2012 CET | From | Nacia Repuvlican partio de Kobura | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC Get over it the Coburan Health Alliance is made up of hmos, past present. Your saying that Cobura never had managed private healthcare? Yes they did infact at one time private healthcare was the only option for our citizens, they used insurance compannies that offered healthcare and some of those companies are still around. = Alliance |
| Date | 16:53:50, May 31, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC: Private healthcare was banned in 3302. The companies therefore don't exist. Therefore the Coburan Health Alliance doesn't exist. Perhaps we should ask the mods to arbitrate? |
| Date | 19:35:22, May 31, 2012 CET | From | Nacia Repuvlican partio de Kobura | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC. LOL sorry you lost people don't have to depend on you dictatorship for healthcare they get it in another nation. |
| Date | 23:18:07, May 31, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC: Lost? Am I not still the president? Am I not still in government? :-) These companies were extinguished in 3302. Ergo, the Coburan Health Alliance does not exist. |
| Date | 00:30:11, June 01, 2012 CET | From | Nacia Repuvlican partio de Kobura | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOc yes lost your party is no longer the largest party in Cobura. And yes coburan Alliance exists in Jakania. |
| Date | 01:47:51, June 01, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC: Nope, I definitely didn't lose. How many cabinet seats do you have? Anyway, I think we should stop hijacking the bill page of another nation. |
| Date | 01:57:44, June 01, 2012 CET | From | Nacia Repuvlican partio de Kobura | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | I agree :-P |
| Date | 14:44:53, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Jakania Solution For All Party | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | Was it that serious? Perhaps the Cuburan government needs some Healthcare Reform. The Jakania Government would like to see some change in this nation and to go against the dictatorship. |
| Date | 15:12:15, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | "It is perverse to suggest that Cobura is a dictatorship - we are the party that brought down a real dictatorship! Cesare Colonna ruled Cobura for an iron fist for decades without a so much as a critical word from Jakania. In fact, Jakania cultivated a cosy relationship with the dictatorship (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=344775). Now that democracy has been restored, there is suddenly a great urgency in Jakania to involve yourselves in the affairs of Cobura. Why is this? It certainly has nothing to do with democracy. The Revolutionary Party is the only party in Cobura that stands up and fights for true democracy and freedom. The Republicans on the other hand, want to establish a plutocracy, where poverty and inequality reign. If the bedfellows of the Jakanian government are dictators and plutocrats, I think that perhaps Cobura should cut all diplomatic ties with this horrid government." - Prezidanto Omid Kader, speaking to reporters when asked to comment |
| Date | 16:10:15, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Jakania Solution For All Party | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | "We didn't say the Cubura is a Dictatorship. What we mean is that by not allowing your nation to have the access to Healthcare of their choice is in the dictatorship Direction" We only ask that your nation reform your health policy so that the citizens can have access to what they seek for, either private or public is a way to have good Health policy. Secondly the Jakania is a new government the past is different from the present and we will not do such things about not going against the dictator. Says The Ministry Of Foreign affairs, Laura Sharp, When asked to respond upon clarification of this situation. |
| Date | 17:56:03, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | "Healthcare of their choice, as you put it, would be dependent on individual income. That is therefore not a real choice. Secondly, a mixed system of private and public health care is not a good system, as the private sector dumps costly and unprofitable patients into the public system, burdening it to a deleterious degree. Thirdly, profiting from the ill health of others is inherently immoral. All have a right to good health, regardless of their ability to pay. Cobura is an egalitarian society and our health care system is built on that principle." - Prezidanto Omid Kader |
| Date | 19:15:22, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Jakania Solution For All Party | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | "All False Statement Has the President had Addressed. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=349209 Ministry Of Foreign Affairs, Laura Sharp |
| Date | 19:18:45, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC: I don't mean to be rude, but is English your first language? |
| Date | 19:38:41, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Jakania Solution For All Party | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | Yes English Is my first Language. You do not Get my words Because of the high level of Education I have. Again I will say it in a simplest Form "I NEED EVIDENT THAT THE CUBURAN NATION DO NOT SUPPORT PRIVATE HEALTH ALLIANCE BASED UPON THE CITIZENS OPINION!" Did you get it now? |
| Date | 20:46:33, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC: First of all, OOC statements should be preceded by an indication that they are OOC. The reason I asked whether or not English is your first language is because of the copious amounts of spelling and grammatical errors that you consistently make. For example, when you write 'evident' its clear that you actually mean 'evidence', which is a different word entirely. There is also the fact that most of what you write is incoherent gibberish and you seem unable to comprehend anything I write. High level of education? Don't make me laugh. From the way you write, its doubtful that you've had any sort of education beyond nursery level. How old are you? 5? I suggest staying in school until you can learn to communicate properly with other homo sapiens. |
| Date | 21:38:49, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Jakania Solution For All Party | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC: TO: Mr. Smart One Who Thinks He Knows Everything Hello, I heard you and I will go back to school. But do you understand what "Context Clue" means? Do you Understand the meaning of the word "EVIDENCE"? Do you understand what the word "Question" Means to you? While asking you questions, you provide Statement. Mr Smart provide me evidence you keep providing me statement. What is the point of me yelling all the time because of you don't understand what questions means to you. Provide facts you provide arguments. Who put you in that position? I bet you are some random kid from a little box. My main point is for you to go back to kindergarten and tell your teacher how to answer a simple questions with facts and evidence. No one get your opinion without facts. It Is all lies. My main point is that If you do understand questions you will understand what I am talking about. Sincerely, Emerick. Bachelor Degree In Writing Professor at Harvard University |
| Date | 23:44:55, June 03, 2012 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the The Health Alliance |
| Message | OOC: To: The "Professor" Hello, I am glad to hear that you have decided to go back to school. Perhaps there you can learn some proper grammar and writing skills - rendering you more able to communicate effectively with other people and making you look slightly less of an obtuse moron. Do YOU understand the meaning of the word "evidence"? Are you aware that this is a game and that the population's represented in said game are fictional? Are you aware of the fact that said fictional populations can not be asked directly for their fictional opinions, and that their opinions, which are multi-layered and cannot be reduced to a single issue, are represented in an indirect fashion (i.e. elections)? If so, then you can stop asking stupid fucking questions. You have presented no evidence here or elsewhere to support your idiotic assertions. All the evidence we need is reflected in the fact that the parties in power in Cobura (a fictional nation remember - child) are supportive of an entirely public health care system. If the fictional people, of the fictional nation, had felt so strongly about the issue in the opposite direction, then this would not be the case. I hope this clarifies matters. Sincerely, Mr. Technique QC, MBE Master of the Universe Secretary-General of the Judean Peoples Front |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 132 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 118 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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