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Bill: Freedom Bill # 12
Details
Submitted by[?]: Jelbanian Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3314
Description[?]:
| A bill to radically change the Jelbanian election process. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The length of a legislative and executive term, in months. Should be between 24 and 72.
Old value:: 72
Current: 72
Proposed: 48
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 700
Current: 77
Proposed: 535
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:26:19, May 28, 2012 CET | From |  Jelbanian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Bill # 12 |
| Message | The Freedom Party believe that the current state of the Jelbanian Parliament is a bureaucratic mess, there are far too many Member of Parliament and the election cycle between electing them takes far too long. We believe that we should cut down on the number of seats to something more manageable and that something will not allow ties. In addition with the cut down of the election cycle from six to four years, it will stop incumbent parties from gaining too much lethargicism in their rule and will with luck speed up the Bill process. Finally we will further open up the amount of Bill proposals a party can introduce to an even number so that every month the parties receive an equal amount. |
| Date | 02:28:39, May 28, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Bill # 12 |
| Message | OOC: Ignore the last statement |
| Date | 15:35:49, May 28, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Bill # 12 |
| Message | The Freedom Party believes that the current state of the Jelbanian Parliament is a bureaucratic mess, there are far too many Members of Parliament and the election cycle between elections is currently far too long. The current size of the Parliament is far too large and too much bureaucracy. Despite only having a population of ninety million (90,000,000) we have seven hundred (700) elected Members of Parliament. It is in the Freedom Party's opinion the amount of seats be sliced down with two election cycles, cutting it first to 535 and then after the subsequent election cut down to around 300. The cuts to the size of Parliament will allow for a streamlining of government and cut down on costs; in salaries alone after this passes we will save twenty five cent (25%) of its costs. We are also in belief that the time between elections is far too long. Although the Freedom Party agrees it allows for a greater time frame to discuss and debate Bills, it also makes Members of Parliaments, referred for here there in as MPs, lethargic and gives far too much advantage to incumbent MPs who have earned their seat, giving them six (6) years to establish a position, something very difficult to usurp. The Freedom Party will, if this Bill is supported by the reigning Grand Nationalists Party introduce this Bill immediately, however if resistance we shall hold off until after the next election cycle, which in the opinion of this party is far too long, even now. In addition with the cut down of the election cycle from six to four years, it will stop incumbent parties from gaining too much lethargicism in their rule and will with luck speed up the Bill process. OOC: Simply streamlined |
| Date | 00:09:44, May 30, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Bill # 12 |
| Message | Any thoughts on this Bill? |
| Date | 01:43:05, May 30, 2012 CET | From | Democratic Front | To | Debating the Freedom Bill # 12 |
| Message | I agree with both measure that the term length and amount of seat need to be cut down or made to an odd number. |
| Date | 15:48:23, May 30, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Bill # 12 |
| Message | What say the honorable Members of Parliament from the Grand Nationalists Party? |
| Date | 16:02:51, June 04, 2012 CET | From | Communist Party of Jelbania | To | Debating the Freedom Bill # 12 |
| Message | We oppose this. 48 months is still too long, and 535 seats is too small. |
| Date | 18:22:15, June 04, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Bill # 12 |
| Message | The USJ has a population of just under one hundred million (99 million approx.) with seven hundred (700) members of Parliament. We believe that a smaller Parliament would cut government bureaucracy. However we believe 48 months is a good start, if it is still too long we could cut it down even further. |
| Date | 04:44:24, June 05, 2012 CET | From | United New Jelbania | To | Debating the Freedom Bill # 12 |
| Message | We agree with Article 1, and move to make the 535 to 500 seats instead |
| Date | 05:06:18, June 05, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Freedom Bill # 12 |
| Message | Allow this change to go through as is, and we can introduce another Bill afterwards to further lower the seat count. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 257 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 392 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 51 |
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