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Bill: Act for Liberalization of Military Service
Details
Submitted by[?]: Mouvement des Conservateurs
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2154
Description[?]:
| Colleagues, The Kingdom of Rildanor is a free nation, the mandatory military service in times of war is not a law that represents that freedom for our citizens. We cannot afford obligating the people of Rildanor to fight in a potential war that is not theirs plus that fact that this law is in action can caus a certain fear amongs citizens that could limit their individual development. Regards. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term of civilian national service.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:10:22, December 09, 2005 CET | From | Union for the Rights of Christian Women | To | Debating the Act for Liberalization of Military Service |
| Message | "We cannot afford obligating the people of Rildanor to fight in a potential war that is not theirs " A war that involves Rildanor is a war that involves the RIldanorian people, it's that simple. "plus that fact that this law is in action can caus a certain fear amongs citizens that could limit their individual development." So does paying taxes but we still have to pay them. The same goes for the police and we still keep it... |
| Date | 21:11:46, December 09, 2005 CET | From |  Mouvement des Conservateurs | To | Debating the Act for Liberalization of Military Service |
| Message | "A war that involves Rildanor is a war that involves the RIldanorian people, it's that simple." Correct, but that war is not theirs, nor theirs to be involved in. "So does paying taxes but we still have to pay them. The same goes for the police and we still keep it..." Taxes are to keep funding social security and the development of this Nation, a mandatory military service not because, again, it would be an indirect issue they get involved in. |
| Date | 21:31:48, December 09, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Coalition | To | Debating the Act for Liberalization of Military Service |
| Message | I support. |
| Date | 23:19:43, December 09, 2005 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the Act for Liberalization of Military Service |
| Message | Support, but reluctantly since you failed to support our bill to limit the use of destructive weapons. "We cannot afford obligating the people of Rildanor to fight in a potential war that is not theirs " But I suppose the whole motive behind this bill is that since we can use nuclear, bio, and chemical weapons however the hell we want then we don't really need conscripts. We can just inhumanely bomb innocent people so that our people would not have to really participate in it. Since there are no limits to these weapons then the government can use them without consulting the people, after all it's NOT THEIR WAR, it's the state's! "plus that fact that this law is in action can caus a certain fear amongs citizens that could limit their individual development." And our WMDs will not cause alarm among our people? |
| Date | 09:28:49, December 10, 2005 CET | From | Union for the Rights of Christian Women | To | Debating the Act for Liberalization of Military Service |
| Message | Interesting arguments RF&A |
| Date | 13:03:09, December 10, 2005 CET | From | Mouvement des Conservateurs | To | Debating the Act for Liberalization of Military Service |
| Message | "But I suppose the whole motive behind this bill is that since we can use nuclear, bio, and chemical weapons however the hell we want then we don't really need conscripts. We can just inhumanely bomb innocent people so that our people would not have to really participate in it." I. No we can't! I'll repeat my statement in your nuclear weapons bill: "It is not a matter of acting in practice but a matter of reserving the right to act. Think of it as a warning against potential attackers of our Nation, therefor we are against it to abolish the current regulations." - Thats why its clearly stated: "Reserve the right to -" II. The mandatory military service in war times causes a fear among potential militarists that stirs up when war could come at hand, nuclear weapons are only for protection. III. Consulting the people? It is very unusual to hold a referendum if there is a possibility for 'war' unless you're going to tell me here that the people needs to be hold responsible for what their government does? |
| Date | 20:06:50, December 11, 2005 CET | From | Parti Monarchiste Catholique | To | Debating the Act for Liberalization of Military Service |
| Message | We will also reluctantly support. We feel that there is a place for conscription in the most extreme of circumstances (i.e. if Rildanor were being invaded). However, the current law would allow conscription for an aggressive war waged by the government of Rildanor. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 55 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 21 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 24 |
| Random fact: Unless otherwise stated, monarchs and their royal houses will be presumed to be owned by the player who introduced the bill appointing them to their position. |
| Random quote: "It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." - Robert Anton Wilson |