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Bill: Welfare Reform Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Nouveau Parti Libéral (ZR)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3416
Description[?]:
The national government will give a minimal welfare to all in need |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: Child benefit policies are left to local governments.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Current: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government policy regarding housing.
Old value:: Housing policy is to be determined by local governments.
Current: All housing is private but rent is subsidised for low-income households.
Proposed: The state provides public housing to low-income families.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 05:32:24, December 22, 2012 CET | From | Zardio Federisma Partio | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Bill |
Message | Are we so to expand the government like this? Why are we to force people into a government pension scheme? You are changing nearly 100 years of law and policy that has served the nation fine. Are you so trying to make the people dependent on the government for their livlihood there is no more individual freedom? |
Date | 06:49:36, December 22, 2012 CET | From | Nouveau Parti Libéral (ZR) | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Bill |
Message | First of all old doesn't equal good. Second, trying to make people dependent? People do not become willingly dependent on the government they only do it when they have to. If they did though would you rather they be dependent on the government or on the spare change of passing strangers. Thirdy, "government welfare a threat to freedoms" HA! Says the party that has long standed against gay rights, women's rights, worker's rights, among others. |
Date | 01:41:16, December 23, 2012 CET | From | Zardio Federisma Partio | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Bill |
Message | There are no gay rights or women rights or such. There are only the right of citizens that are to be enjoyed by all! No one group gets special rights or privledges, and they will not be by this government. Local governments are best to address welfare problems because the people can access local officials easier and different localities have different needs and a one size fits all national policy will not work. |
Date | 01:48:14, December 23, 2012 CET | From | Nouveau Parti Libéral (ZR) | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Bill |
Message | Rights are not relative they never were and they never will be, history has proven it. Don't twist my words around, when people say "[insert group name]'s rights" they say it because they do not have or usually don't have rights that should be for all people. |
Date | 01:53:50, December 23, 2012 CET | From | Zardio Federisma Partio | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Bill |
Message | History has proven that rights are as reversible as they are "advance able" and my good sir rights are relative as to the particular culture and society. Rights for one are NOT rights for others. However disregarding the broader historical debate, the main issue is that local governments are best suited and best equipped to handle welfare issues and we should not interfere from the national level. |
Date | 06:08:54, December 23, 2012 CET | From | Nouveau Parti Libéral (ZR) | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Bill |
Message | Your wrong but we do not wish to debate you any longer |
Date | 02:42:15, December 24, 2012 CET | From | Zardio Federisma Partio | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Bill |
Message | We have won then. By failing to point out the flaws of our argument you have conceded us victory through your lack of defense. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||
yes | Total Seats: 290 | ||
no |
Total Seats: 274 | ||
abstain | Total Seats: 86 |
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