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Bill: Abortion Funding Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3427
Description[?]:
| Every Dranish woman should have access to a first trimester abortion - regardless of whether she can afford the cost or not. Cadfael Maddocks MP (Prime Minister of Dranland) |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy of the government concerning the funding of abortions
Old value:: The government only funds abortions for medical emergencies.
Current: The government provides funding for abortions.
Proposed: The government provides funding for abortions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:00:27, January 13, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, this proposal devalues human life by allowing abortions on demand and encouraging irresponsible behavior by suggesting that birth control is unnecessary because the government will subsidize killing off babies anyway. Contraceptives - which prevent pregnancies in almost every case - are cheap and available at every generic drug store, there is simply no viable excuse for unwanted pregnancies. Dr. Howard Thornton MP Member for Loren GNP Spokesman for Health and Social Services |
| Date | 23:43:58, January 13, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, we are not proposing "abortion on demand". Dranish law permits a woman to have an abortion during her first trimester of pregnancy. Under the current system, if you are rich then you can have an abortion because you can afford the fee, but if you are poor then you cannot have one because - unless it is a medical emergency - there are no subsidies available to pay for your procedure. The legislation we are proposing would correct this injustice. Madam Speaker, I must express my concern for the emotive and inaccurate language Dr. Thornton is resorting to. May I ask him whether it is really his position that abortion is "killing off babies"? And does he really have such a low view of the intelligence of Dranish women that he believes the availability of abortion would dissuade them from using contraception? Maria Jimenez (Minister of Health & Social Services) |
| Date | 00:03:44, January 14, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, the majority of women would of course not behave in an irresponsible way under whatever law, but we are dealing with human life here. A fetus is not a bunch of cells but contains the whole of genetic information which makes up a wholesome human. Thus, we must refrain from giving incentives for abortion. Dr. Howard Thornton MP Member for Loren GNP Spokesman for Health and Social Services |
| Date | 00:11:24, January 14, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, Dr. Thornton is clearly in favour of preventing low-income women from having abortions, but would he tell us whether he is also in favour of preventing high-income women from having them? Does he want to outlaw abortion completely in this country, or does he just want to pursue an unjust and hypocritical policy of allowing abortions for the rich but not for the poor? Maria Jimenez MP (Minister of Health & Social Services) |
| Date | 00:16:11, January 14, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, do I want to starve the masses because I oppose a law that would give everyone the right to take as much food as I want for free? This simple parable should be enough to illustrate my stance on this issue. As for my ethical views on abortion, I turned down any requests to conduct one when I was an active doctor, but I oppose banning it anyway. Dr. Howard Thornton MP Member for Loren GNP Spokesman for Health and Social Services |
| Date | 00:27:57, January 14, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, in comparing access to abortion to "giv[ing] everyone the right to take as much food as I want for free" Dr. Thornton is insulting every woman in Dranland and beyond. How dare Dr. Thornton trivialise the needs of women in this way! Does he have any idea what it is like for a woman to find herself in an emergency pregnancy situation? Does he have any idea how much more stressful that situation is for a woman when she has to worry about being unable to afford an abortion if that is her preferred choice? Madam Speaker, society needs to reach out to these women and offer them real choices instead of stigmatising them in the way Dr. Thornton is doing. Madam Speaker, Dr. Thornton is clearly a male chauvinist anti-abortion zealot and I appeal to the more moderate members of his party to consider whether he is a suitable person to be serving as the GNP's health spokesman. Maria Jimenez MP (Minister for Health & Social Services) |
| Date | 00:33:21, January 14, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, apart from yelling insults and twisting my words, Mrs Jimenez has not put forward any substantial objections to my statement. Instead of lecturing a physician like me about emergency room situations, she should contemplate whether she has the right job. If she believes that careless mass killing of fetuses is the primary concern of women nowadays, it is needless to say that she is the only zealot in this room. If she really means what she says, I'd gladly offer her a nice, comfy, padded cell in my clinic. Dr. Howard Thornton MP Member for Loren GNP Spokesman for Health and Social Services (Speaker Breckinridge:) Order, order! Will the Hon. Gentleman please withdraw his last comment and will the disputants return to a factual language? (Dr. Thornton:) Madam Speaker, I apologize for this gaffe. It's just that I'm not keen on being called a chauvinist zealot for protecting life. |
| Date | 01:06:39, January 14, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, a minority of Dranish are opposed to abortion on moral grounds. I can respect such a position, even though I do not agree with it. But what I find more difficult to understand, Madam Speaker, is why the Honourable Gentleman wants to stop low-income women from having abortions whilst doing nothing to stop high-income women from having them. Madam Speaker, could it be the case that his class prejdudice is so great that, in his opinion, it is fine for a member of his own social class to murder a baby for her own convenience, but not okay for a woman from a poorer background to do the exact same thing? Maria Jimenez MP (Minister of Health & Social Services( |
| Date | 01:12:55, January 14, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, once again, opposing free handouts does not equal barring anyone from acquiring an abortion. There is no right to a service deriving from the fact that others happen to be able to afford it. If one wishes to prevent a pregnancy, aware of the fact that one's finances do not allow paying for an abortion, why not buy contraceptives beforehand? It is a matter of responsibility and a matter of living within one's means. Dr. Howard Thornton MP Member for Loren GNP Spokesman for Health and Social Services |
| Date | 14:46:19, January 14, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, I can only hope that Dr. Thornton shows more empathy to his female patients than he is demonstrating for them here. Maria Jimenez MP (Minister of Health & Social Services) |
| Date | 01:07:28, January 15, 2013 CET | From | Plaid Genedlaethol Rhyddfrydol | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, even though we are pro-choice majority, we oppose the measure on the fact that government shouldn't be involved in this matter, why should someone who oppose abortion have their taxes go to funding them. Arwen Cecil MP Former Minister of Health and Social Services |
| Date | 08:10:22, January 15, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Abortion Funding Act |
| Message | Madan Speaker Dr.Thorton MD's not clearly working like their opposition, contraceptions does not always work also who is he that he can say that women who had and will have abortion are irresponsible.Most of the women who tries to get abortion and failing it because of they have no money so they have no money to care for babies and they don't trust the foster care system which is absolutely true which i know from my experiences so what should they do you say and do not even dare to use the word irresponsible.Rape and incest victims situations also not accepted as emergency which is clearly another travesty.So please do not try politicize this issue which is what you tried to do. Elaine Bishop Health Spokesman for Greens Parliamentary |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 138 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 157 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 56 |
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