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Bill: Budget proposal of August 3436
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3438
Description[?]:
| Mr. Speaker, we propose these new spending figures in order to increase investment in key areas of the public sector. We propose to revolutionise healthcare in Dranland by boosting health spending by 25%. We also want to triple spending on the police in order to tackle the threats posed to us by crime and terrorism. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 10,000,000,000 DRA | 5,000,000 DRA | 5,000,000 DRA |
| Foreign Affairs | 30,000,000,000 DRA | 20,000,000,000 DRA | 30,000,000,000 DRA |
| Internal Affairs | 30,000,000,000 DRA | 10,000,000,000 DRA | 30,000,000,000 DRA |
| Finance | 25,000,000,000 DRA | 1,000,000,000 DRA | 1,000,000,000 DRA |
| Defence | 15,000,000,000 DRA | 30,000,000,000 DRA | 30,000,000,000 DRA |
| Justice | 30,000,000,000 DRA | 500,000,000 DRA | 1,000,000,000 DRA |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 70,000,000,000 DRA | 80,000,000,000 DRA | 80,000,000,000 DRA |
| Health and Social Services | 60,000,000,000 DRA | 200,000,000,000 DRA | 250,000,000,000 DRA |
| Education and Culture | 75,000,000,000 DRA | 300,000,000,000 DRA | 300,000,000,000 DRA |
| Science and Technology | 50,000,000,000 DRA | 30,000,000,000 DRA | 30,000,000,000 DRA |
| Food and Agriculture | 60,000,000,000 DRA | 5,000,000,000 DRA | 5,000,000,000 DRA |
| Environment and Tourism | 50,000,000,000 DRA | 10,000,000,000 DRA | 30,000,000,000 DRA |
| Trade and Industry | 60,000,000,000 DRA | 5,000,000,000 DRA | 10,000,000,000 DRA |
| Total | 565,000,000,000 DRA | 691,505,000,000 DRA | 797,005,000,000 DRA |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:49:13, February 06, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, the DSP cannot be trusted to handle the money of the people. Their sole solution for every problem regardless of its complexity is to tax more, spend more and pour subsidies, benefits and monetary grants over every single department! Mr Speaker, we do not need more funding for 'key areas of the public sector' - the truth is that the public sector has already grown too bloated and needs to get slashed! Julia Breckinridge MP Member for Ulbrach GNP Parliamentary Leader |
| Date | 01:00:33, February 06, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | Mr Speaker I liked the proposal but as part of our agreement we will vote no.Also i want to add that as a party Greens not liked the proposal it is my humble opinion. Georgia McCormick MP from Elbian Leader of Greens Parliamentary OOC:I was expecting a fight over where the spending will be not on ideological reasons.Most politicians are greedy so i think that kind of arguement(where it's spend) will be more realistic |
| Date | 01:06:24, February 06, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | OOC: Yeah, even people calling themselves "fiscal conservatives" are often spending fetishists (Bush, Reagan)... |
| Date | 01:28:06, February 06, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I am disappointed not to receive more support for this very modest budget. This budget falls well short of DSP ambitions, yet would achieve important things in Dranland. Why, Mr. Speaker, would parties oppose spending more on the healthcare of our poorest citizens? And why would they oppose spending more money on tackling crime and terrorism - especially at a time when Dranland is being exposed as vulnerable in this area? Those opposing this budget are demonstrating considerable short-sightedness. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
| Date | 02:27:07, February 06, 2013 CET | From | Plaid Genedlaethol Rhyddfrydol | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | We support the spending increase. Brychan Cadwallader MP Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 20:40:22, February 06, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | Mr Speaker I will give the official response to this budget.We, Greens of Dranland support a government, we will support the budget they present but even if our hands not tied we cannot accept this non-sense bill. Our budget will get a 106 billion DRA and not even a penny increase for education,science and infrastructure.We are happy about the increase in environment, security and foreign aid but this kind of spending is reckless and meaningless so even if our hands not tied by this agreement which we like we would have voted. Lucas Kyffin MP from Elbian OOC:Reagan and Bush Jr. are the most fiscally irresponsible presidents.Obama's spending much more sensible.Believe it or not stimulus helped the economy and what Reagan and Bush Jr. spend the money on was meaningless |
| Date | 00:41:02, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, perhaps the Greens would propose a budget of their own for consideration? Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
| Date | 00:44:11, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | (OOC: I beg to disagree. Obama's stimulus was one of the biggest fiscal failures the US has ever seen, and his refusal to cut any kind of welfare spending is not what I would call sensible at all. Bush's and Reagan's mistake was that they didn't cut spending alongside taxes (the latter actually helped the economy a great deal). |
| Date | 00:51:26, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | OOC: I find it interesting that in Particracy, most governments - whether left-wing or right-wing - generally try to balance their budgets. By contrast, in the real world, governments of all political complexions tend to run up budget deficits. |
| Date | 00:53:05, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | OOC: I'm probably a cautious Keynesian in the sense that when the economy is in depression, I don't think imposing swingeing cuts is necessarily a good idea. When the economy is down, you need to get things moving again - especially in the most depressed regions. |
| Date | 09:02:39, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | OOC: I believe in sensible cuts,which means cut everything except infrastructure,business subsidies and education.This trio will help a country to move again.Alain from Reagan to Obama excluding final years of Clinton all of them spend recklessly.About Bush and Reagan if you cut the revenue and increase spending that is much more reckless and failure.Because of Obama not Bush, US economy is regaining it's strength |
| Date | 01:25:22, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | OOC: No, the revenue didn't decrease under Reagan, in fact it rose because with lower taxes people had more incentives to invest and earn. And Obama is currently working hard on destroying the currency with his deficit spending/inflation obsession. About Keynes: I don't trust someone who sought to refute objections over the long-term effects of deficit spending with "in the long run, we're all dead". What many people do not know is that Hayek, the most prominent neoliberal and a good friend of Keynes, persuaded him to renounce his economic ideas. However, before Keynes could announce this to the public, he died, and so his wrong ideas continue to live on. |
| Date | 01:34:10, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | OOC: Deficit spending is because of Bush, even if Paul Ryan in his unbelievable plan that says it will cut the deficit in 2022 or 2023, i don't recall.I agree you on Obama should be much more pressing on deficit cuts.Beltway politicians are the most irresponsible politicians and i will support a balanced budget amendment,with exceptions on war or a great disaster. |
| Date | 01:34:28, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | OOC: I've never heard about that (Hayek persuaded Keynes to change all his economic ideas). Could you provide any links with more info? It is said that Keynes, like many brilliant people, was a workaholic and worked himself too much in his final years - especially with trying to sort out the Marshall System etc. after World War Two. |
| Date | 01:48:08, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | I will try to find the exact source, but Wikipedia provides a similar hint: "Just before his death in 1946, Keynes told Henry Clay, a professor of Social Economics and Advisor to the Bank of England of his hopes that Adam Smith's 'invisible hand' can help Britain out of the economic hole it is in: "I find myself more and more relying for a solution of our problems on the invisible hand which I tried to eject from economic thinking twenty years ago." Adam Smith wasn't very different from Hayek, so the message remains the same. I will inform you when I found my original source. |
| Date | 01:49:15, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | @Alain when you found your source, would you inform me too? |
| Date | 01:56:24, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | OOC: That is interesting. The thing about Keynes, as with a lot of important thinkers, is that he has been interpretted and reinterpretted since his death. The people who are called or call themselves "Keynesians" do not necessarily believe the same thing as John Maynard Keynes the man himself. I'm not sure, for example, that Keynes would have supported all of the nationalisations that followed the war, or whether he would have supported large budget deficits even during "boom" periods. |
| Date | 23:31:13, February 08, 2013 CET | From | P.A.R.D | To | Debating the Budget proposal of August 3436 |
| Message | Mr.Speaker,this budget proposal is actually acceptable. Francisco Salazar Jefe de Partido |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 127 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 272 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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