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Bill: Fair Salaries Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3438
Description[?]:
It is time to put an end to poverty in Dranland. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation.
Old value:: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Current: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Proposed: There shall be a minimum wage at a level considered a "living wage," well above the poverty line for a full time worker.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 13:46:59, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr Speaker We will support the second and last articles but first article is all about governments intrusion to private sector.DSP invades freedom again, now their eyes on hard working worker's salary.Because you know this ban also limits the salary of lower class.DSP are the enemy of you and your salary Daniel LeCoultre MP from Elbian Deputy-Chairman of Greens |
Date | 13:52:22, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr. Speaker, we are happy to remove Article 1 in the hope that the Greens will be able to support the rest of the Bill. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
Date | 14:01:26, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr Speaker We will support this bill Daniel LeCoultre MP from Elbian Deputy Leader of Greens |
Date | 23:25:39, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr Speaker, we oppose this bill which will destroy jobs by distorting the market value of labor and discourage productivity by promising wealth without working. Elina Cadiavera MP Member for Loren Minister of Trade and Industry |
Date | 23:45:17, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr Speaker This bill only destroy low-paid and unfair jobs.Minister Cadiavera could answer me that how can increasing wage that is only enough for paying bills & rent and prevent starvation a distortion.If the workers gets adequate payment that will help them have a livable life, than productivity will increase.Happy worker,Happy bosses.I don't know your opinion but Dranish people is important to me and i will do everything to not to turn Dranland into third-terra country.Cheap labour is not what we want.What we want is fair,efficient and profitable labour. Georgia McCormick MP from Elbian Leader of Greens Parliamentary |
Date | 00:48:16, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr Speaker, low-pay jobs are important as a means of temporary subsistence for those unskilled workers who cannot enter the job market at a higher level due to the fact of a lack of the required qualifications. Thus, low-pay jobs are an opportunity for them to collect skills, subsequently work their way up, improve their economic circumstances and finally make it to the top through their own hard work, willingness to work and personal effort. We should not destroy this important lifeline for those at the very bottom through misguided idealism. Elina Cadiavera MP Member for Loren Minister of Trade and Industry |
Date | 00:52:06, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr. Speaker, the neoliberals are fond of insisting that welfare spending should be slashed, but have they considered how much Dranish tax-payers are having to subsidise big corporations which refuse to pay their workers a living wage? When a company pays out insufficient wages, the state has to step in to allow that person to have enough money to live on. If we insist on corporations paying a decent minimum wage, then we will put a stop to what are, in effect, subsidies to companies to under-pay their workers. Mr. Speaker, we in the DSP are prepared to put a stop to Dranland's corporate welfare system by guaranteeing a reasonable minimum wage for all workers. Are the GNP and the PP prepared to join us, or do they want to carry on with their wasteful welfare program for greedy corporations? Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
Date | 01:01:33, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr Speaker Working as a cashier in MacRichalds and Krusty Krab (lol!) doesn't bring any substance or skills.So Minister Cadiavera, your idea about gaining skills and substance is null and void. Georgia McCormick MP from Elbian Leader of Greens Parliamentary |
Date | 01:15:23, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr Speaker, what everyone seems to completely ignore is that it is the minimum wage that would have the counter-productive effect of driving up both unemployment and prices, thus causing the state to issue more unemployment benefits - which the DSP wants to prop up with a permanent bonus for not working at all - and welfare assistance. Thus, this bill would have the opposite effects of its original aim. Elina Cadiavera MP Member for Loren Minister of Trade and Industry |
Date | 01:17:28, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr. Speaker, the big corporatations in Dranland make humongous profits. There is more than enough money swimming around to pay every worker a fair wage. All it will mean is that the fat cat executives and the shareholders will have to get by on a little less. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
Date | 01:27:45, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr Speaker Minister Cadiavera what you suggest is that we should abolish minimum wage, if that's your case you are crazy as Mr.Benandez maybe a little bit less.Abolishing minimum wage will devastate our workers and our first goal is improving the life standards of lower class not the upper class.But don't get me wrong our work is improve everyone's life standards but lower class should be our first priority Georgia McCormick MP from Elbian Leader of Greens Parliamentary |
Date | 01:31:44, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr Speaker, companies would be very ill-advised to pay their workers hunger wages when many progressive business strategists have already adopted the beneficial policies of employee participation and reasonable wages as an instrument to further boost profits. The left is obviously unaware of the fact that there is competition on the labor market just as there is competition on the market for actual consumer goods. Thus, I believe that workers would be better off without a minimum wage, although I am currently not intending to actively question the current regulations. Elina Cadiavera MP Member for Loren Minister of Trade and Industry |
Date | 01:39:42, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | OOC: I understand your economic argument, Alain, but I suspect telling a low-paid worker he'd be "better off without a minimum wage" would go down as well as Benandez telling rich people that he will "liberate them from their riches". It's difficult to be a politician, say what you really believe and remain universally popular at the same time lol! :) |
Date | 01:41:57, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | OOC: No, I actually really believe this, but let me correct my statement a bit: If you look at the big picture, unskilled workers and the people at the very bottom would be better off without a minimum wage, while simultaneously the cost of living for all would drop significantly. |
Date | 01:43:09, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr. Speaker, has the Minister of Trade & Industry considered how brutally her buddies in the corporate world would exploit the low-paid if a minimum wage was not imposed upon them? Just how low does she want to force down wages? Does she want to see beggars on every street corner and Dranish children starving because their families cannot afford to feed them? Mr. Speaker, the real agenda of the neoliberals is to turn Dranland into a third world country! Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
Date | 01:48:04, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr Speaker Here is DSP delusional conspiracy theory of day, Antonio what is took so long to accuse GNP with some crazy idea.I support his bill but that doesn't mean i support him or his speech.I can't believe i voted for this guy. Dolores Abala MP from Elbian |
Date | 01:48:06, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | OOC: I can understand the argument that a minimum wage might eliminate some jobs - or export them abroad, perhaps. But imagine if you are a person being paid the minimum wage, and imagine the government suddenly announces that it is going to reduce or abolish the minimum wage...how are you going to feel? All I'm arguing is that if a government reduced or abolished the minimum wage, that would carry a heavy political cost (even if you think there are longer-term advantages). A proportion of the workforce would see an immediate fall in their wage, and they would link that reduction directly to the change in government policy. |
Date | 01:52:49, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | OOC:When there is a increase on minimum wage, i think we should also cut the taxes for businesses.We can balance or compensate a little bit for the business.Political fallout will be huge.That is why even the most fiscally liberal politicians have a problem to touch the minimum wage. |
Date | 01:54:28, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | OOC: Yes, but I do believe that the simultaneous decline in prices would compensate for this loss. The market is quite quick when it comes to adjusting to new situations, at least if it is left alone by the gov't. As I have stated earlier, competition on the labor market will furthermore prevent hunger wages from prevailing in the low-paid sector. |
Date | 01:18:36, February 09, 2013 CET | From | P.A.R.D | To | Debating the Fair Salaries Act |
Message | Mr.Speaker,we shall support. Francisco Salazar Jefe de Partido |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||||
yes |
Total Seats: 181 | ||||
no |
Total Seats: 218 | ||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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