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Bill: Health-Care
Details
Submitted by[?]: Logisk Synspunkt
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3457
Description[?]:
| Health care should not be dominated by the government. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Current: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Proposed: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:36:50, March 08, 2013 CET |
From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | A publicly run health system is far more efficient and and can be run at far less cost to the state than the private healthcare that Logisk Synspunkt would like to introduce. |
| Date | 04:42:48, March 09, 2013 CET |
From | Indigoblå Liga | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | We find the current policy acceptable but can easily understand the proposed view. It must be remembered that publicly run health systems may be very efficient in an ideal world, but that realistically, they often become bloated and lumbering giants that act as a black hole for the nation's finances. It is also true that competition between private companies often drives prices down. We would like to hear the opinions of all the other parties before making a decision. Perhaps "There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed." could be a compromise? |
| Date | 05:00:56, March 09, 2013 CET |
From | Logisk Synspunkt | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | In what way does subsidizing something cost more than running it yourself for a loss? |
| Date | 07:10:53, March 09, 2013 CET |
From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | Under the proposed bill the government will fully subsidise the cost by paying a fee to private companies. Since these private companies need to make a profit, unlike the public healthcare system, it is obvious that the government will ultimately end up paying more with a significant proportion going straight into the pockets of wealthy shareholders. |
| Date | 11:38:56, March 09, 2013 CET |
From | Kløverpartiet | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | We feel that there is nothing wrong with the current policy and we are going to oppose this. |
| Date | 14:52:38, March 09, 2013 CET |
From | League of Justice | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | Retsforbundet does not support this proposal since we believe a public health care system is better for the population and it will ensure everyone an equal treatment. A private-run health care system will commercialize the health care system and this will force some clinics, hospital etc. to close down and will result in bad living/health standards for some regions. |
| Date | 23:05:17, March 09, 2013 CET |
From | Logisk Synspunkt | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | De venstregonne, I would like to know where you got the word "fully" from. The wording of the legislation says no such thing. Also, the payments would not necessarily have to go to the private companies, the doctor prescribing the medication could file a statement with whatever agency and have a check go to the patient, effectively subsidizing the prescription while not paying any money to wealthy shareholders. I would ask that you stop making assumptions about what other people think, because so far you have been horribly off target. |
| Date | 22:40:39, March 10, 2013 CET |
From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | The words are "subsidises the cost of it for all citizens" although maybe Logisk Synspunkt can define in more detail what the bill will actually involve. Everyone knows that private companies exist with the aim of providing a profit for their shareholders so it is nonsensical to claim that a private heath system would be able to provide treatment for the same low cost that our current public system does. |
| Date | 23:19:24, March 10, 2013 CET |
From | Logisk Synspunkt | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | It is actually not nonsensical. Public programs are in general plagued by fraud and misuse of money. Private corporations must run efficiently and effectively, something many public programs lack in general, in order to maximize profit. |
| Date | 19:19:35, March 12, 2013 CET |
From | Liberal Konservative Partiet | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | Health is far too important to leave in the hands of corporations. The government can act in the interests of the public, or at least more so than private companies who are interested in making a profit. |
| Date | 23:24:16, March 12, 2013 CET |
From | Logisk Synspunkt | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | Corporations can run more efficiently and effectively than government. Also, doctors know that they're liable for pretty much anything that can go wrong; they are a careful breed. |
| Date | 19:05:57, March 14, 2013 CET |
From | Liberal Konservative Partiet | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | This can be the case, but is not always. I still strongly disagree of making health a comodity - even if the cost is met by the government. Inevitably, competing companies will try to cut costs, and the result will be a lower quality service on the cheap... |
| Date | 02:09:23, March 19, 2013 CET |
From | Logisk Synspunkt | To | Debating the Health-Care | | Message | We have decided to take the compromise proposed by Indigobla Liga and begin a vote in hopes of increased privatization that the majority of the parties can agree on. |
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Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 96 |
| no | Total Seats: 154 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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