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Bill: Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3453
Description[?]:
| RESOLVED - "That the Imperial Diet of Hulstria and Gao-Soto declares that Hulstria and Gao-Soto shall stand with the Republic of Dranland against the unjust demands made upon her by the Federal Republic of Egelion and urges the government of Hulstria and Gao-Soto to enact sanctions against the Federal Republic of Egelion." |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:56:04, March 09, 2013 CET | From |  Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | die sehr ehrenwerte Staatsministerin, Frau Leah Schiffer (HDV, Anderinch-Herzogwalt): Herr Praesident, At noon Crownlands Standard Time today, the government received communications from our allies in Dranland asking for Hulstrian and Gao-Showan support in dealing with undue diplomatic pressure exerted on them by Egelion. The two nations have a history: Egelion has been Dranland's colonizing power, a fact on which they base their demands for Dranland to change its policies. This is, in the light of our shared democratic and constitutional values of sovereignty an unacceptable and unjust situation, and it is the view of this government that we should stand by the Dranish. That is why today, we bring this motion to the Diet, to gain approval for government action taken to support Dranland, although not yet on the level of open hostilities. At the present, we are awaiting communications from Prime Minister Maddocks on how Dranland is dealing with the crisis, and we intend to respond to any Egelian pressure at first by diplomatic protest. I am open to questions from the house. |
| Date | 19:11:17, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | OOC: Maddocks is President, not PM. |
| Date | 19:29:52, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Internationale Kommunistische Partei | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The VB does not generally take a side in International dispute. Regardless, what exactly are the Egelion demands? |
| Date | 20:16:55, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Partido Nacional Real de Egelion | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Egelion diplomat to Hulstria and Gao-Soto, Hulstria and Gao-Soto: I come in the name of my nation to speak about the current conflict between Egelion and Dranland. We only wish to better the security of our people. Our nation does hold an ancestral right to Dranland, and can invoke certain security rights in that area. Now, my nation's foreign department is ready and willing to work on a solution to this situation, but our military shall remain on high alert due to the fact of a possible attack from them. We cannot force you to change your decision of backing Dranland, but we do ask that you play a more peacemaker role in any situation that may happen. As Egelion does not wish for a war, especially a nuclear one and so we must take certain steps to protect that policy. It may be seen as we are trying to be hostile with our neighbors, but I assure you we only act to protect the people of all of our nations. Egelion is open to any possible ways to cool the situation down for better relations with her neighbors. |
| Date | 20:16:55, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Partido Nacional Real de Egelion | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Egelion diplomat to Hulstria and Gao-Soto, Hulstria and Gao-Soto: I come in the name of my nation to speak about the current conflict between Egelion and Dranland. We only wish to better the security of our people. Our nation does hold an ancestral right to Dranland, and can invoke certain security rights in that area. Now, my nation's foreign department is ready and willing to work on a solution to this situation, but our military shall remain on high alert due to the fact of a possible attack from them. We cannot force you to change your decision of backing Dranland, but we do ask that you play a more peacemaker role in any situation that may happen. As Egelion does not wish for a war, especially a nuclear one and so we must take certain steps to protect that policy. It may be seen as we are trying to be hostile with our neighbors, but I assure you we only act to protect the people of all of our nations. Egelion is open to any possible ways to cool the situation down for better relations with her neighbors. |
| Date | 20:41:39, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Internationale Kommunistische Partei | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Hulstria has made no decision to back Dranland. |
| Date | 20:48:41, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Der sehr ehrenwerte Minister für auswärtige Angelegenheiten, Paul Eberhart MR (AF, "From where does the government of Egelion derive the authority to disregard Dranland's sovereignty with respect to its military policy? I call upon Egelion to withdraw their ludicrous demands at once." OOC: This is REALLY bad timing for me. |
| Date | 20:55:21, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Mr Speaker and Honourable Members This is the original letter that send by Egelian aggressors: The current security polices of your nation concerns our military and political leaders here in Egelion. We would prefer that Dranland dismantle all it's WMDs immediately. The fact that Dranland is so close to Egelion means that the old rulers of your land have full rights to the security of the nation. We also hold the right to have final decision on all military polices made under any administration. If anything is not done about this issue soon the Imperial Army will launch preemptive strikes against your nation. This is an urgent problem and must be dealt with as soon as possible. We will use any and all force necessary to place your nation back into compliance of its true protector. To Vereinigte Bund members : We don't like war too and we are pacifists that believe our sovereignty and independence and no foreign party should involve our or for that matter nobody's internal laws.So we believe in international freedom too.Please support this bill because, it supports our, your and every countries sovereignity. Eirwen Dalgaard MP Foreign Minister of Republic of Dranland |
| Date | 21:00:26, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Internationale Kommunistische Partei | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | 'Regardless of any vindication this makes me feel, we condemn the blatant Imperialism displayed by Egelion government, and we encourage both parties to dismantle their WMD, as this Nation did'. -Adolph Fischer |
| Date | 21:01:34, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Schiffer: Herr Präsident, Given the fact that Egelion is a one-party military regime, it would also be against the values of Septembrism to allow them to take action that amounts to reasserting colonial rights over one of our allies. This is a matter of threats of aggression against Dranland and violation of their sovereignty. |
| Date | 21:32:03, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Sozialdemokratische Arbeiterpartei | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | "There is no doubt that we support Dranland's right to sovereignty and to their current land. We also recognize the danger posed by the RNP regime. However, our role in the conflict does have to be one of peacemaking. We'd like disarmament on both sides, with neutral peacekeepers remaining in the area to make sure no war does break out." |
| Date | 21:35:07, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Demokratische Zentrumspartei | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Egelion's abhorrent behaviour is not merely an assault on our Dranish friends, but on us and the ideals of democracy and freedom. Egelion has no right to be threatening Dranland or to attempt to dictate is policies. I can assure this House that I have the support of my legislative colleagues in condemning this unacceptable aggression. Hulstria and Gao-Soto must declare that it will not countenance military aggression or violations of national sovereignty against itself or indeed any nation. However, merely saying angry words will get us nowhere. I therefore propose an amendment: "That the Imperial Diet of Hulstria and Gao-Soto declares that Hulstria and Gao-Soto shall stand with the Republic of Dranland against the unjust demands made upon her by the Federal Republic of Egelion and urges the government of Hulstria and Gao-Soto to enact sanctions against the Federal Republic of Egelion." Gunther Scherer MR (DZP) |
| Date | 22:08:35, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, as a political representative of Dranland's Kyo community, I want to thank the many Honourable Members in the Imperial Diet who have offered moral support to Dranland at this dificult time. Dranland is your close neighbour and friend. We value your opinion very highly, and your political backing in this dispute is essential to us. Some of you have expressed a wish that Dranland should disarm her nuclear weapons. We in Gukmindang share this aspiration. In the long-term, we would like to move towards a positon where nuclear weapons were removed from Western Dovani and the entire surrounding region. However, we have to face the reality. Terra is a dangerous place, and we have a very volatile neighbour - Egelion - right on our doorstep. Please understand that it is not realistic or reasonable to expect immediate nuclear disarmament from the Dranland. Han Haneul MP General Secretary of the Gukmindang |
| Date | 22:13:04, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Demokratische Zentrumspartei | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, my party fervently believes that nuclear weapons are dangerous and that the sooner they are gotten rid of, the better. However, in view of the reality of the situation, we ought not ask Dranland to throw away its nuclear weapons, given that it is currently being threatened in an unacceptable manner by a nuclear-armed state. Gunther Scherer MR (DZP) |
| Date | 22:19:57, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Schiffer: Herr Präsident, The amendment in the name of the gentleman from Labsburg-Bingen is friendly. In fact, we will expel all Egelian diplomats from the Crownlands to show that we don't tolerate Egelion's actions, and we are considering economic sanctions. |
| Date | 22:26:26, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Madam Speaker, let us make clear that we regard all alleged "rights" deriving from colonial past null and void - imperialism is and has always been a crime, conducted through unjust aggression against the territorial integrity of nations and their people's liberties and property. The Dranish people will never allow thievish imperialists to gain a foothold on our soil. We also reject Egelion's hypocritical attempt to tone down and call for negotiations on its aggressive and unjust claims towards our country - there will be no negotiation whatsoever over the sovereignty and self-determination of the Dranish people, and the only viable and acceptable solution is that Egelion immediately withdraw its imperialist remarks. Julia Breckinridge Prime Minister of Dranland |
| Date | 22:27:11, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | OOC: Sorry, writing Madam Speaker was a reflex. It should've been Herr Präsident, of course. |
| Date | 22:28:15, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Demokratische Zentrumspartei | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, the Rt. Hon. Staatsminister might also like to summon Egelion's ambassador and ask him to justify himself prior to expelling him. Gunther Scherer MR (DZP) |
| Date | 22:30:38, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | We already did so, Herr Präsident. (see posts above, I mentioned it there) |
| Date | 22:30:43, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Demokratische Zentrumspartei | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | OOC: Nah, don't worry, we alternate between English and German. I use English for convenience. |
| Date | 22:41:30, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | OOC: Btw, if there are any questions on German terms, I'd be glad to help out. |
| Date | 23:26:22, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | OOC: Did I use the proper form for "Minister for Foreign Affairs?" I don't speak German. |
| Date | 23:28:19, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | OOC: Alain, Hulstria should employ you as their German consultant :) |
| Date | 23:31:30, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | OOC: I believe it's actually "Minister des Auswärtiges" |
| Date | 23:56:01, March 09, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | OOC: "Minister für auswärtige Angelegenheiten" would be the complete formal term, but more colloquially, most politicians and the general public use the term "Außenminister". |
| Date | 00:09:47, March 10, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I am sorry and embarassed to be making this plea to the Hulstrians, but...ermm...we are having a bit of trouble in Dranland. Even though we could be on the brink of an attempted Egelian invasion, the Dranish Finance Minister wants to slash our defence budget: "the military budget is already too bloated and should be cut, if anything" http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=375608#messages Mr. Speaker, the Gukmindang is trying to talk sense to the Dranish Parliament and persuade them to increase defence spending because of the crisis, but other parties are only interested in cutting taxes. I am therefore begging and pleading with the Hulstrian Diet, on behalf of the Dranish people, to talk some sense into our Finance Minister. Please don't let us be invaded by the Egelians whilst our ministers are too absorbed in neoliberal economics textbooks to notice! Haneul Han MP General Secretary of the Gukmindang |
| Date | 00:51:16, March 10, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | OOC: Whittaker is not amused: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1930&p=53997#p53997 |
| Date | 11:38:46, March 11, 2013 CET | From | Unabhängige Sozialkonservative Partei | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | "The AGP is highly reluctant to support a foreign nation in a local power struggle. If this conflict was to havea direct impact upon the United Imperial Crownlands of Hulstria and Gao-Soto then we would have obviously supported a military response to the aggressor. However, as this is essentially a quarrel in a 'faraway' land, we will require further details before we can consider backing this motion." Paul Hindemith (AGP) |
| Date | 13:11:46, March 11, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I would like to emphasise that Dranland is Hulstria's close neighbour and ally. It is anything but a "far-away land". Egelion is also geographically very close to Hulstria - just on the other side of the ocean. If Egelion were to succeed in invading Dranland, who knows where it might turn its imperialistic intentions to next? Haneul Han MP General Secretary of the Gukmindang |
| Date | 16:48:42, March 11, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Motion: Dranland-Egelion Conflict |
| Message | Herr Praesident, There can be no question of the Dranish-Egelian conflict being an internal matter, and I am puzzled as to why the AGP thinks it is a local power struggle. This is an international conflict in which unjust demands are placed upon an ally and neighbour in the name of its former overseas colonial rulers, invoking ancient colonial rights. Though Luthori and Hulstria enjoy excellent relations and it is a highly unlikely if not impossible hypothetical scenario, surely we would want the same courtesy to be extended to us if Luthori were to make this kind of claims on us? - Leah Schiffer, Staatsministerin |
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| Vote | Seats | ||||
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Total Seats: 281 | ||||
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| abstain | Total Seats: 344 |
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