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Bill: Freedom of Choice Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Unified Communist Labor Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2050
Description[?]:
| In protest of the recent bill restricting a woman's right to choose. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:48:07, May 11, 2005 CET | From |  MLC Old Endralonian Resistance | To | Debating the Freedom of Choice Act |
| Message | come now this bill only just passed |
| Date | 10:28:16, May 11, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Freedom of Choice Act |
| Message | This one is point less why do it? |
| Date | 14:27:26, May 11, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party of Endralon | To | Debating the Freedom of Choice Act |
| Message | Can I also protest against those evil laws restricting my right to choose to kill you? [/sarcasm] |
| Date | 15:27:42, May 11, 2005 CET | From | Unified Communist Labor Party | To | Debating the Freedom of Choice Act |
| Message | It's the principle of the thing. |
| Date | 20:51:01, May 11, 2005 CET | From | MLC Old Endralonian Resistance | To | Debating the Freedom of Choice Act |
| Message | the principle is still based on faulty logic , if you can give me even one sensible reason why birth is a good point to define the start of human rights I'd consider changing my vote. |
| Date | 21:05:07, May 11, 2005 CET | From | Unified Communist Labor Party | To | Debating the Freedom of Choice Act |
| Message | If you can give me one good reason why politicians like us should be making these decisions instead of doctors who are trained to do this sort of thing, I'll vote no. |
| Date | 23:47:47, May 11, 2005 CET | From | MLC Old Endralonian Resistance | To | Debating the Freedom of Choice Act |
| Message | Its the doctors job to define when a child becomes self aware , born , self sufficient ,etc because that is where they have expertise , it is our job as politicians to define the parameters by which a citizen exists and which rights/laws ot apply to them. A doctor is trained to deliver a lethal injection , If a mother brings in her child and asks for it to be administered is it up to the doctor to decide if thats ok? doctors are accountable to each other due in matters of expertise this gives them the logical jurisdiction , this is not such a matter. |
| Date | 23:49:10, May 11, 2005 CET | From | Unified Communist Labor Party | To | Debating the Freedom of Choice Act |
| Message | So, you as a politician know more about when life begins than a doctor who has been to medical school? Is that what you're saying? |
| Date | 02:25:03, May 12, 2005 CET | From | MLC Old Endralonian Resistance | To | Debating the Freedom of Choice Act |
| Message | No as I said earlier I agrre doctors should define when events in human development occur as that is where their expertise lies. Life in the way your using it is not so much a biological development but a societal one , from a biological point of view "life" even "human life" would begin far before the third trimester , what we are really seeking to define is a point at which the inteligence and perception from an organism become great enough to deem them worthy of rights and to hold them accountable to laws on equal standing with the rest of society. Although without doubt we need evidence from the medical community to determine the timescale of different developments within human infancy it is without doubt a decision for politicians as to which development we use to apply rights, if we were to be truly consistant(considering animals) it would probably be in the first year after birth but as things are the only real positions are the utilitarian which would stop at the point of self awareness which most likely from medical opinion occurs within the third trimester. Also there are the vague potential life arguements but these general require religion to give credence and are logically inconsistant. Using the point of physical birth just has no biological or logical basis, pushing the decision onto doctors is simply moving political decisions onto an inconsistant corruptable self-accountable body. |
| Date | 05:05:37, May 12, 2005 CET | From | Unified Communist Labor Party | To | Debating the Freedom of Choice Act |
| Message | Using the point of physical birth doesn't have any logical reason, that is true. But it does serve a purpose. "Trimesters" do not necessarily represent a defined set of biological developments--all babies at week five, for instance, cannot be said to...oh I don't know, have such and such function of the brain developed in all cases. Birth, on the other hand, while it may not represent a great leap of development--a fetus just before birth is pretty much the same fetus that is born and becomes a baby--birth does represent a major physical event and a change in the baby's circumstances. No longer ensconsed in the protection of the womb, the baby must now face the world at large. It is at that point that society begins to assume responsibility for aiding the mother in raising that child, and our jurisdiction as politicians begins. Before birth, there is simply no easily definable, universal point at which you can say definitively "this is a living being." There just isn't. Therefore, making laws that arbitrarily limit the right to choose makes no sense. Using birth as the point at which the baby moves from the inner sanctum of the womb, and is therefore fully within the protection and control of the mother, to the outer world, and is therefore now the responsibility of all of society as well as the mother, is a much more logical place to start drafting laws about the child. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 225 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 169 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: In order for a Cabinet bill to pass, more than half of the legislature must vote for it and all of the parties included in the proposed Cabinet must support it. If your nation has a Head of State who is also the Head of Government, then the party controlling this character must also vote for the bill, since the Head of Government is also a member of the Cabinet. If any of these requirements are not met, the bill will not pass. |
| Random quote: "Erotic politicians, that's what we are. We're interested in anything about revolt, disorder, chaos and activity that appears to have no meaning." Jim Morrison |