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Bill: Chemical Weapon Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Solentian Imperialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2156
Description[?]:
| The current legislation in Solentia is that we will never use biological or chemical weapons in times of war. However, the Republic also reserves the right to use nuclear weapons if we are attacked with nuclear weapons first. Therefore, we propose a similar legislation on Chemical Weapons. We should reserve the right to use these weapons if we are attacked by the same methods. This is magnified by the fact that nuclear weapons are much more devastating than chemical or biological weapons could ever be, if nuclear fallout were to be taken into consideration. We should also reserve the right to build and store biological weapons, as we do with nuclear armaments. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Proposed: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:36:33, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | We do not feel that we can - the SSP accepts that a nuclear deterrent is necessary. Thst having been said, we do not believe that either chemical or biological weapons should ever be used, or that they are necessary so long as said deterrent is available to us. We are, however, prepared to listen if others disagree. |
| Date | 04:37:47, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | Excuse the typos: We do not feel that we can support these proposals - the SSP accepts that a nuclear deterrent is necessary, but that having been said, we do NOT believe that either chemical or biological weapons should ever be used, or that they are even necessary so long as said deterrent is available to us. We are, however, prepared to listen if others disagree. |
| Date | 04:40:37, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | While you pose a valid arguement, do you believe that nuclear weapons are a valid retaliation against a biological attack? |
| Date | 04:45:52, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | Our belief is that no biological or chemical attack would ever be launched against a nuclear state in the first place. If a biological or chemical attack was launched against us, or any other form of aggression which violated the sovereignty of the Solentian Republic or threatened its independendence, then certainly, we would support whatever measures prove necessary to defend our homeland. We simply don't believe it would come to that, so long as we hold and stock nuclear weapons. As mentioned before, we are keeping an open mind - would you care to explain why the SIP feels non-nuclear WMDs are necessary? The SSP hasn't discussed this issue before, and is keen to hear other perspectives. |
| Date | 05:42:46, December 14, 2005 CET | From | United Centrists | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | We too hope that our nuclear weapons will deter attacks from agressive nations. Even if another nation were to use biological or chemical weapons against us, we would not want our nation to retaliate with such horrific weapons. Concerning using nuclear weapons as retaliation against such an attack, we are unsure. Overall, we believe that it would have to depend on the conditions and extent of the attack. |
| Date | 13:07:23, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | Yes, we did not mean to suggest we believe in a disproportionate response. |
| Date | 20:43:11, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | In Solentia, we already allow research in such fields as chemical and biological weapons, but we don't use the technology we research. Then what do we do with that knowledge? Give it to other countries? If we're willing to help develop biological and chemical weapons, then we should be willing to stock them. If we're not willing to stock weapons, we shouldn't help develop them. |
| Date | 22:14:29, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | There is a difference being knowing how to do something, and actually going through with it. We see no problem with increasing Solentia's scientific knowledge, even if we don't put it to use militarily. |
| Date | 00:29:11, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | True, but what do we do with said scientific knowledge? |
| Date | 03:27:23, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | Why must it be put to use? We know how to build nuclear weapons too - were it not for the need of an effective deterrent, the SSP would see no reason we should HAVE to actually construct them. However, if you need a solid reason - researching chemical and biological weaponry is both necessary and welcome, because it allows us to develop defences against them. How can we protect ourselves from something we have no understanding of? |
| Date | 03:59:50, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | Fair enough, point taken. I'll put this to a vote now, so this can go down and we can return the status quo. |
| Date | 04:16:51, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | OOC: All right - also note that you can always "cancel" a bill that you no longer wish you put up for a vote. :-) |
| Date | 06:43:32, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | OOC: I know-I've already cancelled two, though. |
| Date | 10:39:19, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Communist Fascist And Anarchial Party | To | Debating the Chemical Weapon Reform |
| Message | just for the future SIP, voting against your own bills quite severely hurts your reputation for the people of this nation.. it is always better to cancel |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 525 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 175 |
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