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Bill: Welfare System
Details
Submitted by[?]: Logisk Synspunkt
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 3460
Description[?]:
| Pensions should be voluntary and not obligatory. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Current: The state operates a compulsory, public pension system.
Proposed: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:52:26, March 17, 2013 CET | From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the Welfare System |
| Message | This proposal risks leaving many elderly people destitute with no real source of income. We feel that for a stable and prosperous society it is vital that everyone can feel economically secure in their retirement. |
| Date | 01:57:34, March 19, 2013 CET | From | Logisk Synspunkt | To | Debating the Welfare System |
| Message | How does this leave elderly people destitute? All this proposal does is make joining the pension system voluntary and partly private. |
| Date | 10:13:49, March 19, 2013 CET | From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the Welfare System |
| Message | The pension system has to be compulsory or else some with low incomes may decide not to pay into the scheme and end up suffering later in life. |
| Date | 11:37:55, March 19, 2013 CET | From | Liberal Konservative Partiet | To | Debating the Welfare System |
| Message | We agree with De venstregrønne, unfortunately there will be those who would rather spend the money in their youth than save for retirement. The result will be that these individuals will require support from the government in later life. |
| Date | 01:12:09, March 20, 2013 CET | From | Logisk Synspunkt | To | Debating the Welfare System |
| Message | They have to rely on charity for being stupid then. You can't force everybody to join a pension program just because some people are idiots. |
| Date | 19:32:09, March 20, 2013 CET | From | Liberal Konservative Partiet | To | Debating the Welfare System |
| Message | What about those who have no option, something happens in their life whereby they cannot work anymore, or they are made redundant, a relative requires care etc? Are these people idiots too? I would hope that a government can show compassion for its people. |
| Date | 02:29:21, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Logisk Synspunkt | To | Debating the Welfare System |
| Message | Unfortunate accidents and bad things happening in general are no excuse to make people slaves for those who have suffered from such unfortunate events. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 94 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 142 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 14 |
| Random fact: The players in a nation have a collective responsibility to ensure their "Bills under debate" section is kept in good order. Bills which are irrelevant or have become irrelevant should be deleted. Deletion can be requested for bills proposed by inactive parties on the Bill Clearout Requests thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4363 |
| Random quote: "If I can't dance, I don't want to be part of your revolution." - Emma Goldman |