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Bill: OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE]
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3467
Description[?]:
| Jmayor22 and I came to an agreement on how a civil war between the Czarists and Republicans should start. We agreed that the most sensible beginning would be that the verbal arguments between the former Premier (Hawthorn) and the Czarist characters (http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5206) should escalate to the point that Hawthorn (and maybe some other people) get arrested, which would then lead to the democratic parties forming a paramilitary. Then both sides would set up rival governments, and thus the Czarist War begins. This bill will serve as an OOC discussion on the civil war. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:11:38, March 19, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | OOC: There's no need of a prior detailed plot summary. Just go with the flow, that'll keep some suspense. |
| Date | 01:26:59, March 20, 2013 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | My party would love to support with arms or troops on the side of the Czarists, if that's ok. |
| Date | 02:32:01, March 20, 2013 CET | From |  People's Representative Party | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | And my party would love to support the Republicans. :D |
| Date | 07:19:59, March 20, 2013 CET | From | Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Yes, there is no need for an overall plot, but it may prove useful to have this sort of bill. A lot of RPs degenerate into OOC bickering, so it would be best to discuss any issues as they arise. Also, anyone is welcome to join on either side. |
| Date | 13:12:17, March 20, 2013 CET | From | Gilde Mercantile Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | OOC: My party would support the republicans;-) |
| Date | 14:00:10, March 20, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | OOC: I had an idea. We can use elections to determine the outcome of the war or its' battles. |
| Date | 00:13:36, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Hizb Gazeratan Badaraiyah Al-Tala'īy | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | OOC: My party/nation would be honored to support the Czarists with weapons, vehicles, troops, and a CO if need be. If it is okay with everyone... |
| Date | 00:23:20, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Gilde Mercantile Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | OOC: its a party so I think it's ok;-) |
| Date | 09:02:18, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | OOC: another possible method to involve foreign nations in war can be via comparing the support factions receive and how poweful the foreign party is, for example, if the DCA receive the support of the PPP, then their Percentage of seats in their legislature will add to the power of the fighting factions. |
| Date | 12:56:55, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | That wouldn't be entirely fair, since there are some single-party states that might join (i.e. Badara and Solentia). I think it would be best to just use RP for foreign involvement. Also, this whole bill is OOC, you don't need to write that before your posts. |
| Date | 13:02:53, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Gilde Mercantile Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Yup it's quite unfair, we would only send arms and money for the time being |
| Date | 13:56:43, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | War thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5209 |
| Date | 16:41:03, March 21, 2013 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Posted this on your nation page. Hope no one minds. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=376665&startvote= This is going to pass. I give Polites permission to RP the Indralan forces, so long as the forces meet the parameters within the bill. I'm not exactly sure what a reasonable number would be, so any suggestions would be helpful. |
| Date | 20:46:45, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Hizb Gazeratan Badaraiyah Al-Tala'īy | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | OOC: I would also give Polites permission to RP my forces and my general. It would be for the best of the RP to not have me do it. |
| Date | 23:03:34, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Hizb Gazeratan Badaraiyah Al-Tala'īy | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=376620 Guess I should link the bill... |
| Date | 23:52:11, March 22, 2013 CET | From | People's Representative Party | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Cobura will send 155,000 troops to fight for the Republicans,as well as financial and arms support. |
| Date | 21:02:10, March 23, 2013 CET | From | Nouveau Parti Libéral (ZR) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=376709 Zardugal is also helping the fight for the Republicans. Long live democracy! |
| Date | 09:10:22, March 24, 2013 CET | From | Partido Nacional Real de Egelion | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Egelion shall send over 250,000 troops, and naval and air units to fight for the Czarist, as well as monetary aid and arms. This world is only ment to be ruled by the strong! Alejandro Cojuango Rivero Prime Minister Egelion |
| Date | 23:32:04, March 24, 2013 CET | From | Aurora Libertatis | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Hiya! :) We're discussing an intervention here: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=376809 Our general idea is to not fight for any side, but to make up an excuse (like an obviously fake descendant of the Kennedys) to give our fully-privatized army some experience on the field ("adventuring"). Myself, I'd just want to send around a division, not a field army. |
| Date | 20:01:27, March 25, 2013 CET | From | Fronte Democratico - FDLQ | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Seeing that Istaliana has joined the Republican side, maybe i can have my party cause some domestic troubles in Istaliana by orchestrating a Quanzari (Majatran) uprising. I'll have a talk with Badara and maybe Kafuristan too see if they are willing to sponsor this. |
| Date | 12:51:20, March 27, 2013 CET | From | αντι-Επαναστατικό Κόμ | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | ooc: Apologies for the delay, I would love to have got involved earlier, gah (erhem, representing Kalopia). By the end of the today I will have established several resolutions in Kalopia detailing our involvement, and will have contributed to the post on the forum. Long live Czarist Deltaria, death to the rebels! |
| Date | 21:02:31, March 27, 2013 CET | From | αντι-Επαναστατικό Κόμ | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=377132 |
| Date | 15:07:03, March 29, 2013 CET | From | People's Representative Party | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | The Coburan prime minister in an announcement today appointed General Johnston to assist General Hail in leading the troops. He also authorized bombing in civillian areas and napalm strikes. I suggest to the Deltarians to try to open up peace talks. -Harrison Baker Foreign Minister Republic of Cobura |
| Date | 18:19:54, March 29, 2013 CET | From | Partido Nacional Real de Egelion | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | OOC: This may sound a little dumb, but can someone make a list of who is backing the West and who is backing the East? Because I am really lost on that one part. |
| Date | 00:04:05, March 30, 2013 CET | From | Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | There is a list on the wiki for the war: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Deltarian_Czarist_War The page is work in progress, but it does have a full list of the combatants. |
| Date | 03:17:48, March 30, 2013 CET | From | Hizb Gazeratan Badaraiyah Al-Tala'īy | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | OOC: I know this will sound dumb, but are we able as foreign powers to post on the war thread in the world events area? |
| Date | 03:51:25, March 30, 2013 CET | From | Gilde Mercantile Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | OOC: ^^^ I was thinking the same thing:-) |
| Date | 08:36:34, March 30, 2013 CET | From | Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Of course you are, and actually, please do! :) |
| Date | 05:47:37, April 01, 2013 CET | From | People's Representative Party | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | The Coburan Prime Minister has ordered 65,000 more troops into Deltaria next month,as well as increased arm shipments. Once again,I urge you to get the peace talks started,and end this. |
| Date | 14:56:45, April 01, 2013 CET | From | Gilde Mercantile Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | The Solentian government sends medical supplies to both sides. The East Deltarian government would receive an additional 10 billion Solenars. Peace talks just like what the Coburans want.... |
| Date | 18:11:09, April 01, 2013 CET | From | Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | No peace without the Czar. |
| Date | 19:23:27, April 01, 2013 CET | From | Gilde Mercantile Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | So, more weapons and supplies to send to East Deltaria.... Humanitarian aid to both sides(for civilians): 10 billion Solenars OOC:Spending out the surplus:-) |
| Date | 04:18:46, April 02, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | This war is coming to an end |
| Date | 05:28:06, April 02, 2013 CET | From | Hizb Gazeratan Badaraiyah Al-Tala'īy | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Yes, but with a czarist ruler. |
| Date | 12:26:25, April 02, 2013 CET | From | Gilde Mercantile Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Heck no.... Go freedom fighters.....:-) |
| Date | 12:18:18, April 03, 2013 CET | From | Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | The war is nearly over. The Czarists won. |
| Date | 12:29:51, April 03, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | We'll see that in the next elections |
| Date | 16:32:29, April 04, 2013 CET | From | People's Representative Party | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Cobura has withdrawn its troops and reduced arm shipments by 25%. We are honored to have fought with the Deltarians for such a valiant cause. |
| Date | 17:05:16, April 07, 2013 CET | From | Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | The war has ended, and Czarist order has been restored. We wish to commend the Czarist and Allied forces for their bravery and dedication to the Cause. On the 17th of May 3466, Czar Dušan received the Crown of Saint Štefan from the Arch-Patriarch of the Terran Patriarchal Church. http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4398&start=220#p55805 |
| Date | 18:57:10, April 08, 2013 CET | From | Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Archiving. |
| Date | 10:40:37, April 09, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | This war's not ended according to us. |
| Date | 16:39:07, April 09, 2013 CET | From | Hosianská ľudová strana (HĽS) | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | Dissuwa is fully occupied by Egelion and Badara, and the Czarist government has the support of Luthori, Indrala, Egelion, Badara, Cildania, Kalopia, Dorvik, and Davostan. The Republicans only received the support of Cobura, Solentia, and Zardugal, and Cobura withdrew its forces while Zardugal declared it would switch its support to the Czarists. Unless the Republicans are forming a government in exile, this war is over. |
| Date | 18:10:45, April 09, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the OOC: Civil War discussion [ARCHIVE] |
| Message | We don't consider it and never will, this is a govt. in exile, gentlemen. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 148 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 92 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 91 |
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