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Bill: Cultural protocols of Pontesi
Details
Submitted by[?]: Aurora Libertatis
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3459
Description[?]:
| This bill is created in order to protect Pontesi from radical and unrealistic changes, in conformity to game rules (cf. http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4374). Ethnic groups: The Pnték language, a variant of Jélbek, is the lingua franca in Pontesi. A detailed dictionary of the Jelbic languages can be found here: http://www.idioc.co.uk/Jelbic-0.1.0.txt. The Pntek people are related to the Jelbanians, as are the Higlanders (Nrktek), who could be considered a subgroup of the Pntek, a handful of northern dialects considered an ethnicity of it's own by some. The largest minority are the Selucians, who have been a “significant minority” here for millenniums (as recognized here: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Lerna,_Xanduley), but whose numbers have increased noticeably in the latest centuries. Other minorities are the Beiteynuese, whose homeland was partially occupied by the Pontesian Empire for centuries, as are the Gaduri, whose land used to be a colony of the Empire. Pontesi has also always had a noticeable minority of Majatrans, who are the most numerous among those who practice the Abadi faith. Ethnic/cultural groups: Pntek: 43% Nrktek: 10% Selucians: 11% Majatrans: 14% Barmenians: 6% Beiteynuese: 5% Artanians: 5% Gaduri: 4% Other: 2% *Please note, these numbers, while not stagnate, should not fluctuate wildly. Large demographic changes should only occur with an extensive RP. Religious groups: The dominant religion in Pontesi has always been Hosianism (Christianity, http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Hosianism). The Pontesi Bishopal Church (variant of Anglican) has been the dominant Church in Pontesi since the days of the old empire, although it has declined in recent times (OOC: there hasn't been any RP with it for many IRL-years). The other large church is the Selucian Patriarchal Church (Roman Catholicism, http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Selucian_Patriarchal_Church). The largest religious minorities are the Abadi (more or less an equalivent of Shia Islam, http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Abadi) and the Yeudi (Judaism, particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Yeudism). The faith in Felinism (http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Feline_Homeland_of_Barmenia#Cult_of_the_Sacred_Feline.EF.BB.BF) has also claimed a sizeable number of followers, as has Daenism (Buddhism, http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Daenism). Hosianism: 67% - Pontesi Bishopal Church: 42% - Selucian Patriarchal Church: 20% - Other Churches: 5% Abadism: 16% Yeudism: 6% Irreligious: 4% Daenism: 3% Felinism: 2% Other: 2% *Please note, these numbers, while not stagnate, should not fluctuate wildly. Large demographic changes should only occur with an extensive RP. NAMNING: Historically, Pontesi has not had any characteristic way of naming it's characters. English names are acceptable, although IRL Mediterranean or Near-East names would be recommended, given it's geographical position and it's heritage. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:40:23, March 20, 2013 CET | From |  Aurora Libertatis | To | Debating the Cultural protocols of Pontesi |
| Message | Please note that the percentage of Pntek has only changed by - 2% since around 2009, when the latest figures was made, as Nrktek are essentially a subgroup of Pntek. |
| Date | 04:44:51, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Nrzi Prta (Democratic Party) | To | Debating the Cultural protocols of Pontesi |
| Message | I categorized this bill as OOC and as such will response in OOC manner. Firstly, It's actually pretty funny reading the first sentence of this post. "to protect Pontesi from radical and unrealistic changes" I means... this is the opening you have decided to go with? The irony. Secondly, I don't see how you can justify a Selucian population of 15% which is even more then an ethnic Majatran who have lived here for century, the Beiteynuese who are embroiled in so many conflict and shift of border and land, and the Brmek who shared our language and culture. The fact that there is no Malivian and Darnussian (Artanian) who historically have been here before pretty much make this list bias and historically inaccurate. Selucian is a minority in this nation, there is no denying that, but you simply can't justify a population of 15% considering the policy of expulsion that we have done for the past 100 years before recent change. This population simply doesn't make any sense at all As such, I think this number doesn't accurately reflected a population of Pontesi based on both historical and RP oppression that had been conducted. I propose this number instead: Pntek: 60% Majatrans: 10% Selucians: 10% Barmenians: 6% Beiteynuese: 5% Artanian: 4% Gaduri: 3% Other: 2% 10% is based on this: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=364827 As for religion, I tends to think given the general public view of Selucian as conqueror. I doubt as many as 21% would have practice the religion. I would like to also point out that Pontesi Anglical Church is the official state of Pontesi for the past 100 years and would have greater number even if I or ONCP don't actually RP it a lot. The Empress was given the title the Defender of the Faith for a reason. Also, Felinism doesn't exist here. Period. It can grow starting from now since the Felinist moved here, but it had never existed before and should be include with other smaller region while it grow during your occupation. So this is what I think more accurate Hosianism: 67% - Pontesi Bishopal Church: 42% - Selucian Patriarchal Church: 20% (Based on your 10% + A bit more from other ethnicity) - Other Churches: 5% Abadism: 16% Yeudism: 6% Irreligious: 4% Daenism: 3% Other: 4% |
| Date | 19:50:44, March 21, 2013 CET | From | Aurora Libertatis | To | Debating the Cultural protocols of Pontesi |
| Message | Yepp, that's usually what cultural protocols are for (and FYI, I did actually have a conservation during the first crusade with the M.A.R.C. about the "real" Selucian population in the area, during those days when you was away). I'm glad though that we're merely disagreeing about single digits though. I find your counter proposal quite well and balanced, although speaking of "bias" I don't see why the Pntek population should rise form 55 to 60%. Though I don't see that as a major issue, really. I'd like to hear what catparty has to say on this matter. |
| Date | 07:29:47, March 22, 2013 CET | From | Communists for a Barmenia / UCCR Union | To | Debating the Cultural protocols of Pontesi |
| Message | OOC: I'm fine with this bill. Since the neighboring Barmenians have been pushing Felinist propaganda internationally for centuries, and since we've had a special interest in reinstalling the legitimate UICK government in pontesi for hundreds of years, its quite believable that this has led to 5% of the population being convinced to join the Felinist religion. |
| Date | 12:18:39, March 22, 2013 CET | From | Aurora Libertatis | To | Debating the Cultural protocols of Pontesi |
| Message | Felinism have existed here previously, as shown here: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=30&start=130#p50981 I can agree that due to persecution and being a foreign religion from a country that's been considered hostile since the first crusade, felinism shouldn't encompass some five million people (though it should be said, it's a religion that can be mixed with other faiths) I thank for your input, both of you, and I'll try to make this a realistic compromise in order to create a stable ground for future RP. |
| Date | 04:49:07, March 24, 2013 CET | From | Nrzi Prta (Democratic Party) | To | Debating the Cultural protocols of Pontesi |
| Message | I'm voting against because the text still indicate that: "The largest minority are the Selucians" which is not true. I also do not see any reference to Felinism in ONCP post. The church could have been one of the many from Barmenia. |
| Date | 14:14:35, March 24, 2013 CET | From | Aurora Libertatis | To | Debating the Cultural protocols of Pontesi |
| Message | True, should have changed that before putting this to vote. The numbers still don't recognize that, though. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 362 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 43 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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