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Bill: Left-Liberal Government
Details
Submitted by[?]: De venstregrønne
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 3465
Description[?]:
| Another proposal for a government including VG, KRP, IL and KP. Despite our differences we feel that these four parties can work together in the interests of all Kazulians and hope the proposal shall gain the support it requires. |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the De venstregrønne
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Kløverpartiet
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the De venstregrønne
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the De venstregrønne
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Indigoblå Liga
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Indigoblå Liga
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Liberal Konservative Partiet
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Liberal Konservative Partiet
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Indigoblå Liga
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Kløverpartiet
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Kløverpartiet
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the De venstregrønne
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Liberal Konservative Partiet
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:11:17, April 03, 2013 CET | From | League of Justice | To | Debating the Left-Liberal Government |
| Message | And how would this government work in practice? - De venstregrønne is a communist party and Indigoblå Liga is a liberal/conservative party, how can you ever get a common ground? |
| Date | 01:14:58, April 03, 2013 CET | From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the Left-Liberal Government |
| Message | The same can be said for Retsforbundet's proposed government: a left-wing socialist party (SF) in a coalition with right-wing libertarians (UaF). The most logical coalition if we're going to have governments of ideologically similar parties is our first proposal - VG, SF, KRP and KP. |
| Date | 01:25:14, April 03, 2013 CET | From | League of Justice | To | Debating the Left-Liberal Government |
| Message | Retsforbundet is a centre party and builds bridge from the left wing to the right wing, we can easily find common ground. SF would like to partly privatize some parts of the economy and this would UaF of course support. We have also been talking about a tax reform where we lower the medium tax and this is something both parties would like to do. So as De venstregrønne can see, we have common ground on many issues. We can however not see how it could be possible for you to make a government with Indigoblå Liga, they did not even support one single proposal in your huge bill. |
| Date | 04:10:29, April 03, 2013 CET | From | Indigoblå Liga | To | Debating the Left-Liberal Government |
| Message | The positions are fine but considering the new parliamentary policy proposal and our vastly differering ideologies we do not see how this could work in the long run ... |
| Date | 14:20:57, April 03, 2013 CET | From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the Left-Liberal Government |
| Message | The new proposal for how governments should be organised is a good idea as a general principle but I think there should also be a scope for flexibility within each individual government. Some governments may decide, for example, to vote the same way on everything while others will allow their members to vote freely on certain issues. If VG forms a government with IL and KRP then I would suggest we try to negotiate an agreement on key bills such as a budget and tax proposal as well as a programme of policies which all parties will agree to support. However at the same time each party would also be free to make their own bills which wouldn't necessarily have the support of every governing party or to vote as they wish on many of the bills proposed by the opposition. It is not unprecedented in real life, by the way, to have parties of opposing ideologies in a government. Finland, for example, has a government that includes Socialists, Social Democrats, Greens, Liberals and Conservatives. |
| Date | 17:03:56, April 03, 2013 CET | From | League of Justice | To | Debating the Left-Liberal Government |
| Message | Finland does not have the same parliamentary system as we do, they have presidential elections. |
| Date | 17:22:27, April 03, 2013 CET | From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the Left-Liberal Government |
| Message | Finland does have a parliamentary system like the other Nordic countries and while the President has power in a number of areas this has little influence over the type of governments the country elects or the policies they pursue. |
| Date | 18:05:04, April 03, 2013 CET | From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the Left-Liberal Government |
| Message | I notice by the way that VG and IL have so far voted the same way on 39% of bills. This is admittedly low but not as low as that between SF and UaF who voted the same way on just 31% of bills. In VG's first proposal the lowest compatibility rate between any two parties is 57% (VG and KRP). If you want governments by ideology why not accept that progressive parties got a majority this time instead of trying to form an ideologically incompatible government including SF and UaF? |
| Date | 01:19:56, April 04, 2013 CET | From | Unionen av Frihet | To | Debating the Left-Liberal Government |
| Message | Though your statistic between the UaF and the SF is true it should not be compared with DV IL relations. You're party and the IL have been around much longer than us and have more material which those statistics are based on. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 95 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 125 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 55 |
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