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Bill: For et mer rettferdig Kazulia (del 24)
Details
Submitted by[?]: De venstregrønne
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3471
Description[?]:
| Some policies to move Kazulia in a more just and equitable direction. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the post office
Old value:: There is a nationalised post office agency. Private post offices are allowed to exist but the services provided by them are regulated.
Current: There is a nationalised post office agency. Private post offices are allowed to exist but the services provided by them are regulated.
Proposed: There is a nationalised post office agency in the nation. Private ones are banned.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:27:45, April 06, 2013 CET | From | Unionen av Frihet | To | Debating the For et mer rettferdig Kazulia (del 24) |
| Message | This is outrageous. |
| Date | 11:52:38, April 07, 2013 CET | From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the For et mer rettferdig Kazulia (del 24) |
| Message | How is it outrageous to stop private corporations undermining our post office by trying to steal its most profitable operations? The public post office is vital to ensuring all communities an equality of service and we believe it must be protected through this measure. |
| Date | 22:02:07, April 07, 2013 CET | From | Unionen av Frihet | To | Debating the For et mer rettferdig Kazulia (del 24) |
| Message | The government exists to help benefit the people not steal its money! |
| Date | 05:23:54, April 08, 2013 CET | From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the For et mer rettferdig Kazulia (del 24) |
| Message | How exactly does this involve stealing people's money? Is that not however the entire aim of capitalist corporations? A publicly-run service, by contrast, aims to provide the best service at the lowest possible cost in order to benefit ordinary people. |
| Date | 06:44:09, April 08, 2013 CET | From | Unionen av Frihet | To | Debating the For et mer rettferdig Kazulia (del 24) |
| Message | You clearly stated that you do noy want private postal services because it would steal the governments profits! See here: "How is it outrageous to stop private corporations undermining our post office by trying to steal its most profitable operations". You are jealous of the private sector! |
| Date | 15:52:32, April 08, 2013 CET | From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the For et mer rettferdig Kazulia (del 24) |
| Message | Usually when private companies get involved in the postal service they focus on the more profitable operations like commercial deliveries while ignoring less profitable (and often loss-making) parts like the delivery of private mail. The public postal service has an obligation to deliver private mail at a low cost to even the most remote communities and if they cannot fund this through more profitable operations - because these are being undermined by private competitors - then it is likely to fall into debt and require to be bailed out through government funds. We believe it is unfair, damaging, and costly to the state if private companies can try to siphon off the best parts of the postal service while not being under the same obligation to provide a decent and equal service to all communities throughout Kazulia. |
| Date | 17:31:32, April 08, 2013 CET | From | Sosialistisk Folkeparti | To | Debating the For et mer rettferdig Kazulia (del 24) |
| Message | We support the full co-operatisation of the postal business, but not its nationalisation. |
| Date | 17:51:55, April 08, 2013 CET | From | De venstregrønne | To | Debating the For et mer rettferdig Kazulia (del 24) |
| Message | This is the only option available however if our democratic workers' council bill passes then the post office will indeed be run democratically by its workers. We believe nationalisation is better from a democratic perspective since at least there will be some democratic oversight of the post office (since it will be accountable to elected politicians) as opposed to having some private company run by unelected shareholders. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 54 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 142 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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| Random quote: "The substance of the eminent Socialist gentlemen's speech is that making a profit is a sin. It is my belief that the real sin is taking a loss!" - Winston Churchill |