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Bill: Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Green-Left Communalist Collective
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 3480
Description[?]:
| Devolving the number of daily working hours of workers to the trade unions and DWCs to encourage greater participation in economic democracy and to increase flexibility for various sectors, e.g. hospitality's seasonal business differing from consistent year-round working hours of most other sectors. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards daily working hours.
Old value:: Daily working hours are regulated by the government.
Current: Local governments regulates the daily working hours.
Proposed: The government obligates trade unions and employers to negotiate the daily number of working hours.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:36:10, May 04, 2013 CET | From |  Green-Left Communalist Collective | To | Debating the Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation |
| Message | We thought that the CPI would have supported devolving such power to enterprises and trade unions? |
| Date | 22:41:13, May 04, 2013 CET | From | Conservative Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation |
| Message | We are inherently opposed to trade unionists wielding power over workers. Saying that, having the government regulate working hours isn't ideal either but its better than the APS' proposal. |
| Date | 23:39:41, May 04, 2013 CET | From | Green-Left Communalist Collective | To | Debating the Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation |
| Message | Trade Unions in Ikradon are purely democratic bottom-up organisations which require ballots on all issues. They are not the bureaucratic power barony's of some nations. The trade unions negotiating working hours IS the workers negotiating working hours, which is better than the government setting a standardised policy. The trade unions ARE the workers? Your comments don't take into account the structure of trade unions. Which is better, workers having control over worker's issues, or the government having control over worker's issues? That is why we were surprised at your decision. |
| Date | 23:45:09, May 04, 2013 CET | From | Conservative Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation |
| Message | We've acknowledged that having the government regulate working hours isn't really ideal either. We're leaning towards taking the view that maybe working hours shouldn't be regulated and maybe people should be allowed to work when and for how long they themselves desire. |
| Date | 23:53:34, May 04, 2013 CET | From | Green-Left Communalist Collective | To | Debating the Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation |
| Message | That's not only tyrannical, it's completely impractical. When you start a job, you sign a contract which determines how many hours a week you will work. If you don't regulate how many hours an employer may require their employees to work; then that amount of hours will be the maximum they can possibly get without physically exhausting their employee. Think about it; if your interest is to earn money and have a successful enterprise, then you'll want your workers to work as much as possible? Working hours have been strictly regulated since the industrial age! Try working in a coal mine when your working hours aren't regulated; your employer will just ask you to work all day long. The only way, as your party puts it, to allow "people should be allowed to work when and for how long they themselves desire" is through democratically controlled unions negotiating maximum working hours! |
| Date | 00:00:03, May 05, 2013 CET | From | Green-Left Communalist Collective | To | Debating the Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation |
| Message | Your party, for some reason, seems to think that less government regulation and union/worker control results in increased freedom. This is very mislead. If you don't restrict the powers of people with economic power; they will wield this power over people who can easily be exploited by circumstance. That's not to say more government control = secured freedom, but unbridled industry and business will only lead to exploitation and monopoly. That is not conservatism. Even conservatives traditionally support some decent levels of economic sanction over the economically powerful. Please come and work for me on my farm for as many hours as I determine for whatever wage I wish to pay you without any pre-determined holiday or sick-pay and no form of accident insurance or guaranteed regular breaks from physical labour. Is that the worker being allowed to work for however long they themselves desire? Not at all. For that to happen, there needs to be trade unions or government mandated worker's rights. |
| Date | 00:01:16, May 05, 2013 CET | From | Conservative Party of Ikradon | To | Debating the Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation |
| Message | Like I've said, my party doesn't have a set position on this issue currently other than it being against this proposal. |
| Date | 00:05:29, May 05, 2013 CET | From | Green-Left Communalist Collective | To | Debating the Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation |
| Message | Well even if this proposal fail, our Syndicate has no qualms with the daily working hours being set by the government for the protection of the worker. We simply see trade union negotiation as giving more freedom to businesses and workers over the flexibility of their working hours. |
| Date | 01:06:15, May 05, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Communist Party (DCP) (LL) | To | Debating the Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation |
| Message | I have no ideological objection to this, my only concern is that the timing may be bad, given the hostile government towards workers. |
| Date | 02:50:54, May 05, 2013 CET | From | Green-Left Communalist Collective | To | Debating the Syndical Mandate: Working Hours Negotiation |
| Message | The timing may be bad, but it won't stop us at the moment from inciting debate. If it fails, however, we will propose it when the left prevails at the next election. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 469 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 198 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 63 |
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