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Bill: Cult Supression Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hosian Action Coalition
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3513
Description[?]:
| Cults are dangerous and a menace to the normal functioning of an orderly society. We propose to suppress all cults especially the dangerous Thetanist cult, while leaving alone ALL recognised religions. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government has no policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Current: The government determines which missionaries are permitted to visit on a person by person basis.
Proposed: The government determines which missionaries are permitted to visit on a person by person basis.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is no official state religion, but the government only allows recognized religions. 'Cults' are persecuted.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:22:14, July 10, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Cult Supression Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, the danger emerging from 'cults' in Dranland is negligible, and especially Thetanism has been long dead and exists only in a very marginalized form today. We are also wary of allowing government to determine which views are to be seen as 'cults', because such a policy could lead to the erosion of free speech easily. Alissa Evenstad MP Member for Elbian RFR Parliamentary Leader |
| Date | 22:29:37, July 10, 2013 CET | From | Draddwyr Cynghrair | To | Debating the Cult Supression Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I concur with my fellow Elbian MP Ms. Evenstad. Once the government is put in charge of determining which religions should be "recognized" and which are "dangerous cults," it is a slippery slope down to religious persecution. This bill is an outrage opposing the religious freedoms we fought long and hard to achieve. Trystan Lloyd MP Member for Elbian |
| Date | 00:43:53, July 11, 2013 CET | From | Drania Cívica 🏴 시민당 | To | Debating the Cult Supression Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, What are cults? How does one define a cult? Are Kyo shamanists cultists? Are non-Hosians cultists? And, aren't all religions in their origin, at one point, something of a cult; before further developing into what we label as a "religion," rather than a "cult." My point is, its pretty much impossible for the government to label groups as cults. There's no precise designation of what a cult is, and this law is extremely prone to simply serving to suppress religious groups who are disliked by those with the power to regulate. I am not surprised this legislation comes from the Hosian Action Coalition. They would be the first to want to persecute other faiths. And I think that's the most frightened part of this bill, its not even a "regulation on cults," its all out persecution. Disgusting, just disgusting... Alejandro Xi Marcelino, MP KDF Chairman Member for Elbian |
| Date | 10:12:10, July 11, 2013 CET | From | Hosian Action Coalition | To | Debating the Cult Supression Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Mr Marcelino ought to consult a dictionary on what a cult is. If he doesn't know, then he's in the wrong place. Thetanism is a cult. Daenism is a religion. Thus all this anti Hosian paranoia Mr Marcelino is showing is completely baseless and right now there are several laws in Dranland such as the one forbidding the creation of religious schools by cults and religious taxation laws so let's not get hypocritical and pretend no such laws exist. Dr. Gustavo Maduro HAC Chairman |
| Date | 17:14:49, July 11, 2013 CET | From | Drania Cívica 🏴 시민당 | To | Debating the Cult Supression Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I regret to inform Dr. Maduro that the dictionary definition of cult could easily apply to any religion: "cult [kuhlt], noun 1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies. 2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult. 3. the object of such devotion. 4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc. 5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols." The dictionary definition of cult provides no solution to the question of what classifies as a cult in the eyes of the government, and what doesn't. Additionally, other MPs have raised question of how you would determine what a cult is. If anyone needs a dictionary, it is you. You are proposing a law to persecute those somehow labeled as cults. Do you even know what persecution means!? Or do you just not care. Let me help you out with your ignorance: "per·se·cu·tion [pur-si-kyoo-shuhn], noun 1. the act of persecuting. 2. the state of being persecuted. 3. a program or campaign to exterminate, drive away, or subjugate a people because of their religion, race, or beliefs." Extermination. Subjugation. Et cetera. This is what you support. Dranland learned long ago about the evils of persecution; just one example, persecution killed millions of Draddwyr in the 2000s. If persecution is your thing, I'd suggest you consider emigration. Alejandro Xi Marcelino, MP KDF Chairman Member for Elbian |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 399 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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