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Bill: Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3524
Description[?]:
| This Act establishes the Church of Alduria as our national Church, although membership would be voluntary. The C of A is our historic Church ( http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Alduria although needs an update, scroll down to religion ) having first been founded in 2154 ( http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=34458 ), however throughout most of its history it hasn't been the established Church, ratehr the largest denomination in Alduria. The C of A started as the Aldurian branch of the Terran Catholic Church ( http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=31494 ) ( http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1844 ) before splintering away in protest against the practices of the TCC (or TPC as it is now). The C of A is an Episcopal Church ( http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Bishopal_Church ), with heavy influence from the TPC, the Church of Luthori ( http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Luthori_Church ) and the Orthodox Catholic Church (now the Theognosian Church http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Theognosian_Church ). It maintains High Church and Low Church wings, representing more Catholic and more Protestant rites respectively. Throughout Alduria the Canrillaişe rite is primarily used, except in Harkonia and northern Mondalat where a Harkonian rite tends to be used in rural areas. Churches in immigrant communities often use an immigrant language rite (although there are not many of these Churches). The C of A remains the largest Hosian Church in Alduria. The Church will be organised in an Episcopal manner, with Archbishops for each of the regions, and then a number of Bishops for each region depending upon population size. The Archbishops will be chosen in sucession from the High/Low Church wings, and the Archbishop of Harkonia should always be an Harkonian speaker, with the Archbishop of Aldur retaining primacy as the Primate of Alduria. Even if this doesn't pass, the Church organisation and existance remains valid, it just won't be the Established Church |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:17:13, July 27, 2013 CET | From |  Jacobites | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | Thoughts? I have tried to keep it as open as possible to appeal to as many different people as possible. The Church won't necessarily be liberal/conservative, Protestant/Catholic, as it consists of many different strands (hence why it is historically the main denomination in Alduria). |
| Date | 13:53:20, July 28, 2013 CET | From | ConNaP | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | I support the bill. |
| Date | 09:40:05, July 29, 2013 CET | From | Les Ultraroyalistes d'Alduria (IA) | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | The Archbishop of Aldur was made Primate, and separate from the Archbishop of Bendiri, in 3196 (internally), and confirmed by the Estates-General in 3236 under "Constitution of the Estates-General", when the regional Archbishops were given seats in the Estates-General, while the Archbishop of Aldur stayed strictly religious... |
| Date | 09:42:17, July 29, 2013 CET | From | Les Ultraroyalistes d'Alduria (IA) | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | Also should be noted that he conducts services in the Aldur Cathedral in Luthori (English) |
| Date | 22:12:38, July 29, 2013 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | Ok, UA, but can you find the link for that Bill, if there is a historical precedence then I'd like to link it in to confirm that that is the case. |
| Date | 23:04:52, July 29, 2013 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | UltraRoyalists, the Bill you mention doesn't say anything about the Archbishop of Aldur being Primate http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=335995 Nor does the earlier restoration of the Church http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=329612 |
| Date | 06:47:11, July 31, 2013 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | As it looks like no one else has any points to make, we'll push to vote |
| Date | 06:47:29, July 31, 2013 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | As it looks like no one else has any points to make, we'll push to vote |
| Date | 13:50:33, July 31, 2013 CET | From | Les Ultraroyalistes d'Alduria (IA) | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | It was unnecessary to write down internal church policies because of de facto power and de jure control over the Church being ours. The fact that the Regional Archbishops were made direct political offices under the Estates-General precluded them internally as Primate of Alduria, and we have used that position innumerous times since then, that the Secretary-General of the Holy Luthori Church (think Anglican Communion) is the Primate of the Church of Alduria (think Episcopal Church), who is the Archbishop of Aldur (think Archbishop of Canterbury)...that has been consistently held in all internal and foreign polices conducted by us... |
| Date | 07:18:14, August 01, 2013 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | If it is not written down anywhere, then it doesn't count. |
| Date | 11:22:21, August 01, 2013 CET | From | Les Ultraroyalistes d'Alduria (IA) | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | Your 'proposed' hierarchy was not written down on any of the bills you listed either. This is a exercise in cooperation and good faith. We were offering you ours, but getting none in return. |
| Date | 18:48:00, August 01, 2013 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Church of Alduria - National Church Act of 3523 |
| Message | Erm, seriously? What point did you make that wasn't considered? The Archbishop of Aldur retained his primacy? Did you even read the description? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 204 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 270 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 141 |
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