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Bill: Removal of Nobility Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Socialist Party of Likatonia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 3539
Description[?]:
| Titles of Nobility are shameful vestigials left over from primitive times. It is time for our people to move on. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Privileges of nobility (if nobility is recognised by the government).
Old value:: Nobility confers titles and minor political rights, but no direct control over people or land, and can be hereditary.
Current: Nobility confers only titles and certain minor rights, but no political powers, and can be hereditary.
Proposed: Nobility confers only titles and certain minor rights, but no political powers, and is not hereditary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:00:35, August 27, 2013 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Removal of Nobility Act |
| Message | We would consider the removal of the hereditary aspect of the titles, but we believe that the power to grant said is an excellent way to reward extraordinary service to the state. |
| Date | 04:48:01, August 28, 2013 CET | From | Socialist Party of Likatonia | To | Debating the Removal of Nobility Act |
| Message | We disagree. Our belief is that title of nobility put certain citizens higher up than others. Public commendations should be enough to award anyone who truly cares about the state. |
| Date | 01:39:54, August 29, 2013 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Removal of Nobility Act |
| Message | That is correct. Those who perform extraordinary services to the state are put up higher; all the easier for the other citizens to see and emulate them. |
| Date | 04:24:52, August 29, 2013 CET | From | Socialist Party of Likatonia | To | Debating the Removal of Nobility Act |
| Message | Hm...perhaps you do have a point. Very well, titles of nobility may stay on three conditions: (1) they are hitherto referred to as "Titles of Comradeship"; (2) all who receive these titles are titled simply as "Brave Citizen"; and (3) they receive no privileges other than said title. |
| Date | 02:06:27, August 30, 2013 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Removal of Nobility Act |
| Message | Condition 1, I have no problem with. Number 2 I feel that there should be varying degrees of titles, depending on the level of importance of the service. Therefore, a single, one size fits all title is not sufficient in my opinion. On number 3, I am torn. In a real and perfect world, the recognition of the State would be sufficient reward. Unfortunately, in the real world people respond better to recognition and reward than to just recognition. As I said initially, I have no problem with removing the hereditary portion of titles; in fact, upon reflection, I fully support that since the noble actions of one's ancestors has no bearing on your situation. I do, however, think that leaving ce4rtain minor rights associated with the titles is a good idea. |
| Date | 02:23:21, August 30, 2013 CET | From | Socialist Party of Likatonia | To | Debating the Removal of Nobility Act |
| Message | It depends what you mean by "minor rights"? |
| Date | 03:48:02, August 31, 2013 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Removal of Nobility Act |
| Message | I am thinking of things along the line of special seating in the visitors galleries of the legislature, reserved parking at certain government buildings, invitations to government sponsored functions, and thing like that of a primarily social nature. I am not suggesting any kind of Lord/Serf relationship or allowing them to raise private armies. |
| Date | 04:32:06, August 31, 2013 CET | From | Socialist Party of Likatonia | To | Debating the Removal of Nobility Act |
| Message | I see. Very well, that is acceptable. |
| Date | 19:19:33, September 01, 2013 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Removal of Nobility Act |
| Message | If you resubmit this bill, we will vote in favor. Unexpected commitments made it impossible for our representatives to arrive in time for the voting. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |
| abstain | Total Seats: 225 |
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