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Bill: Non-Recognition of the Demitrei Kingdom of Cobura Act 3543

Details

Submitted by[?]: Hakla'ut VePituah

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 3544

Description[?]:

The House of Demitreus (or Demitrei) has taken over Cobura and has overthrown the legitimate Coburan monarch, Aleksandro I. The House of Demitreus also overthrew the legitimate monarch of Lourenne and installed themselves there, and has also interfered in Rildanor in the past. This behaviour must be condemned and we should symbolically denounce such illegal acts. Furthermore, my party proposes that we should not recognise the Demitrei regime in Cobura.

- Minister of Foreign Affars, Ariel Ish-Shalom

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date16:40:36, September 10, 2013 CET
From Coburan Demitrei Restoration Party
ToDebating the Non-Recognition of the Demitrei Kingdom of Cobura Act 3543
MessageThis is factually inaccurate. The House of Demitreus did not overthrow anyone in Lourenne, as it replaced a republic.

As for the other nations, Demitrei monarchs have reigned in Rildanor for over 80 years without interregnum. In Cobura, we are currently in negotiation with Deltarian representatives to retain Cobura's status as a vassal of Deltaria, but with Emperor Marcus replacing Aleksandro Ĉapelistino, who was himself a relatively new monarch who had already been cast aside in all but name by the previous PA regime.

Date17:59:36, September 10, 2013 CET
FromHakla'ut VePituah
ToDebating the Non-Recognition of the Demitrei Kingdom of Cobura Act 3543
MessageThe royal house of Rildanor is the legitimate claimant of the throne of Lourenne. If Lourenne was to be made into a monarchy once more it should have been under the ruling house of Rildanor, not the House of Demitreus. The House of Demitreus does not have any legal right to claim any throne, never mind Lourenne's throne or in this case Cobura's throne.

Regardless of an 80 year reign in Rildanor the fact is that the House of Demitreus is not the legitimate claimaint of the throne of Rildanor. Rildanor already had an established and legitimate royal house.

If Deltaria had any sense it would refuse to acknowledge Demetrei rule in Cobura.

The House of Demitreus is nothing but wannabe-bourgeois scum that are desperate for power. They're not royal, they have no legitimate claims, and no country wants a member of that family as their head of state.

I am considering whether to call an emergency government meeting in order to discuss the situation and how to prevent Beiteynu from being illegitimately being taken over by the Demitreus family in the future.

The people of Cobura don't know you, they don't want you, and the sooner the Demetreus family is hung out to dry, the better

Yitzhak Rosenfeld,
The Kingdom's Loyal Rosh HaMemshala

Date19:42:23, September 10, 2013 CET
From Coburan Demitrei Restoration Party
ToDebating the Non-Recognition of the Demitrei Kingdom of Cobura Act 3543
MessageThis is a double standard of the highest order.

The party here would claim that an ordinary politician - chosen to fill the vacant Coburan throne largely because there was no-one else - reigning for 16 years qualifies him as the legitimate monarch of Cobura.

The party here would also claim that an unbroken 80 year reign of he and his ancestors in Rildanor, on the other hand, does not qualify King Paul as his nation's 'legitimate' monarch. They would claim that having been the only reigning house in Lourenne for 200 years - 200 years in which there was no sign of any attempt to install another house, even during the years when the Demitrei were exiled from Lourenne - means nothing.

Instead, they would have the people of Lourenne and Rildanor take as their monarch someone who has never set foot in the nation they are supposedly the rightful ruler of. A noble whose claim dates back to a time well before anyone currently alive was even born. A different world.

This argument is an absurdity and should be seen as such.

Furthermore, to call a man or woman of the Demitrei "wannabe-bourgeois scum" is no insult to them. Indeed, we are proud of our humble beginnings. The bourgeois are the engine,the driving force behind any great society. To see a Beiteynu royalist refer to them as 'scum' says a great deal more about Beiteynu royalty than the Demitrei.

Date21:55:22, September 10, 2013 CET
FromBrit Yeudish
ToDebating the Non-Recognition of the Demitrei Kingdom of Cobura Act 3543
MessageCobura's constitutional arrangements are a matter for the Coburan people and their democratically elected representatives. I am puzzled that an avowedly communist party like HVP should be so interested in squabbles over competing claims for a foreign royal title.

Yissakhar Levine MK
Minister of Finance
Leader of Brit Yeudish

Date22:43:44, September 10, 2013 CET
FromHakla'ut VePituah
ToDebating the Non-Recognition of the Demitrei Kingdom of Cobura Act 3543
MessageThe legitimate royal house of Rildanor had ruled the country for hundreds if not thousands of years before the Demetrius family swanned along and installed themselves as royals. They are completely illegitimate, not only in Lourenne but in Rildanor and in Cobura. Beiteynu will be next. This stinking habit needs to be nipped in the bud.

The House of Demetrius is scum. They're nothing but nomads looking to exert power over innocent people. Cobura was vulnerable and they took advantage, like leeches.

And, for the record: Hakla'ut VePituah is a republican party.

Yitzhak Rosenfeld,
The Kingdom's Loyal Rosh HaMemshala

Date23:35:47, September 10, 2013 CET
From Coburan Demitrei Restoration Party
ToDebating the Non-Recognition of the Demitrei Kingdom of Cobura Act 3543
MessageIf time is the defining factor of 'legitimacy', then by what measure is Aleksandro Ĉapelistino 'legitimate' in Cobura?

Of course, in the real world, there is no 'legitimacy'. It is simply a story the powerful tell over and over until they forget that it's a lie.

Date00:45:19, September 11, 2013 CET
FromBrit Yeudish
ToDebating the Non-Recognition of the Demitrei Kingdom of Cobura Act 3543
MessageI can assure the Rosh HaMemshala that there is very little chance of a Demetrius monarch being installed in Beiteynu any time in the near future. The Beiteynuese people and there democratically elected representatives have no enthusiasm for such an idea.

Yissakhar Levine MK
Minister of Finance
Leader of Brit Yeudish

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