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Bill: Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554
Details
Submitted by[?]: Great National Republican Guard
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3554
Description[?]:
| Upon passage of this bill, Utari Mosir will be recognized as a sovereign state, and we will begin diplomatic ties with them immediately. The people of Utari Mosir need our support, as they face Dranish imperialism. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:29:41, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Liberal Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | We think this will strain our relationship with the Dranish - Clarence Jones, Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 04:32:27, September 30, 2013 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | That's their loss, not ours. -- Dereck Moore, Former Foreign Minister, Trade/Industry Minister |
| Date | 04:32:57, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Liberal Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | We think this will strain our relationship with the Dranish - Clarence Jones, Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 04:39:45, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | You already said that. We will respect the Dranish when they respect the people of Utari Mosir. -- Dereck Moore, Former Foreign Minister, Trade/Industry Minister |
| Date | 04:45:02, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Liberal Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | My message was duplicated, I apologise but instead of the alignment with one side why not act as a neutral party and have the leader of both sides meet and try to make ends meet instead of make an enemy out of the Dranish ? - Clarence Jones, Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 04:47:29, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Liberal Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | My message was duplicated, I apologise but instead of the alignment with one side why not act as a neutral party and have the leader of both sides meet and try to make ends meet instead of make an enemy out of the Dranish ? - Clarence Jones, Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 04:50:33, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | You want ends to meet. I want a start to be met. If the Dranish take offence to this, it's their problem. We are simply giving respect to Utari Mosir. We aren't saying that Dranland shouldn't be independent. Dranland is already independent. If we're going to recognise a leader enough to moderate discussion between him and someone else, why not recognise the country he leads? If we only recognise Dranland, we won't appear to be making peace between 2 states... It will be more like mocking the leader of Utari Mosir while only considering the Dranish leader to be a leader. -- Dereck Moore, Former Foreign Minister, Trade/Industry Minister |
| Date | 05:08:50, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Liberal Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | But the discussion could be done in our country to emphasise our neutrality, war is mostly started when the path to achieving a goal is being obstructed, this discussion could get rid of this obstruction, if the Dranish have not changed their stance after the meeting that will be the deciding factor in our choice of whether to form diplomatic ties with Utari Mosir -- Clarence Jones, Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 05:19:42, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | We're not asking the Congress to declare war on Dranland. We're just asking the Congress to recognize Utari Mosir as a legitimate state, and from there we can facilitate discussions between Dranland and Utari Mosir as 2 independent states. -- Dereck Moore, Former Foreign Minister, Trade/Industry Minister |
| Date | 05:21:43, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Liberal Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | But the discussion could be done in our country to emphasise our neutrality, war is mostly started when the path to achieving a goal is being obstructed, this discussion could get rid of this obstruction, if the Dranish have not changed their stance after the meeting that will be the deciding factor in our choice of whether to form diplomatic ties with Utari Mosir -- Clarence Jones, Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 05:32:58, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Liberal Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | But you had not made your intention to facilitate any discussion between the 2 known until now and you've made it clear that you do not care if war is declared which would be proof of the Dranish taking offense to the diplomatic ties made with Utari Mosir, wouldn't it have been wise to state the possibilities or benefits of this bill from the beginning ? -- Clarence Jones, Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 05:53:14, September 30, 2013 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | We aren't proposing to facilitate discussion between them. Since you are proposing that, we are simply letting you know that we would have to recognize Utari Mosir as a sovereign state before being able to facilitate discussion between them and Dranland. We only said that we're asking Congress to recognize the sovereignty of Utari Mosir, "and from there we can facilitate discussions" but if you want to facilitate discussions between them, it wouldn't be wise to only recognize Dranland while denying recognition to Utari Mosir. It wouldn't be true neutrality. -- Dereck Moore, Former Foreign Minister, Trade/Industry Minister |
| Date | 04:18:52, October 01, 2013 CET | From | Communist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Recognition of Sovereignty of Utari Mosir - 3554 |
| Message | Independence is a sovereign right to all those who seek it. Natan Kalashnikov Opposition Leader |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 164 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 136 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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