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Bill: OOC: Military

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Submitted by[?]: Democratic Progressive Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 3609

Description[?]:

My proposal for our service sizes are as follows:
Army (active duty) - 80,000
Navy (active duty) - 40,000
Air Force (active duty) - 40,000

Army (reserve) - 60,000
Navy (reserve) - 15,000
Air Force (reserve) - 15,000

I will, BTW, adjust the figures depending on our military budget.

As it stands, though, this means that our highest meaningful unit of military organisation is:
Army - division, commanded by Major General
Navy - task group, commanded by Rear Admiral
Air Force - air division, commanded by Major General or Air Vice Marshal (depending on whether we want to use the US or UK terminology)

The commander ("Chief of Staff") of each service branch as a whole would be:
Army - Lieutenant General
Navy - Vice Admiral
Air Force - Lieutenant General or Air Marshal (again, depending on the terminology we want to use)

We could also use three-star ranks (i.e. the ones immediately above) for Combatant Commands (I don't know what they're called in the UK), such as one in NUM.

The ranks of General, Admiral and General/Air Chief Marshal would be honorary and/or wartime ranks, and perhaps could also be reserved for the highest-ranking military officer (i.e. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or Chief of Defence Staff, depending on the terminology we want to use; I suggest the term "Senior Chief of Staff").

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date18:17:50, October 10, 2013 CET
FromNational Fascist Party
ToDebating the OOC: Military
MessageOoc: I like to mix up British and American institutions regarding military stuff. Lets have Air Marshals but a Combined Defense Staff headed by a Chief of Staff. Also I take it Dranland is more a land power nation than sea power?

Date19:04:44, October 10, 2013 CET
FromWele goelcerth wen yn fflamio
ToDebating the OOC: Military
MessageOOC: I brought up laying out unit formations and equipment on the Dranland Forum, that should build on what has been written here except from possible trivial alterations of numbers.

I'd suggest picking the equipment of one or two RL nations for use by the military since the consensus seems to allow the use of real equipment for war RP purposes, British or Italian would be my preference since they are better optimized for smaller deployments than American or Russian equipment.

What sort of Role would a Dranish military undertake? I'd imagine some sort of force projection would be in order which would call for a global expeditionary or a smaller and much less capable projectionist force. Both of which would be very costly and would probably require more personnel


Date07:50:37, October 11, 2013 CET
FromDemocratic Progressive Party
ToDebating the OOC: Military
MessageWe wouldn't have much need for power projection. Our military would be primarily defensive.

Date18:32:09, October 11, 2013 CET
FromHacia Casa
ToDebating the OOC: Military
MessageNow that tension between Dranland and Egelion is rising, I think it would be natural for Dranland to be wanting to beef up its navy and the fortifications along its coast.

Date20:37:53, October 11, 2013 CET
FromNational Fascist Party
ToDebating the OOC: Military
Messageooc: I see the Dranish armed forces being like a modern day European armed force. Easy on the heavy armaments, more on light infantry and armour. Looking around we don't need a giant carrier blue water navy, we live in a quiet neighborhood. As I see it:
The army should again focus on small mobile light infantry and light armour positions with air cav and a small but capable special forces unit.
The navy should have a few destroyers and maybe a heavy cruiser or two at the max. Most other ships should be small corvette types.
The air force should like wise be a small but capable force. Small, low cost fighter planes as opposed to the fleets of fighter jets employed by the larger powers. Obviously mostly low tech and more focused on protecting sovereignty than force projection. Air defense should be rudinmentary and low tech as well.
Unless we vastly increase the defense budget I would say Dranland has a small, low tech active duty military with large reserve components.

Date00:17:55, October 12, 2013 CET
FromWele goelcerth wen yn fflamio
ToDebating the OOC: Military
MessageOk, I've taken this on, I should have the structure down to a battalion level in a couple of days with a future target of having organisation down to a platoon level complete with equipment.

I'm thinking of a 4-5 division regular mobile force with armor and mechanization supported by naval and Air Force assets structured to deploy one division anywhere in Terra, enough to overrun a third world country with relative ease. having another 30,000 garrisoned on the border with dug in fortifications, enough to hold off an attack in time to mobilize the other divisions and call up the reserves.

For reserves I'm thinking of having 2 levels, around 50,000 reserves of a similar style to the UK reserves with local bases and an opt out system similar to Switzerland with most adult males available in the case of invasion with guerrilla training . Over a million militia men should be an adequate to ward off any invasion threat and make any occupation as comfortable as a Celtic fan in the King Billy bar in Ibrox.

For the Navy I'm going for an aged blue water fleet with a few previous generation destroyers, maybe a couple of new ones, a few frigates and some sort of amphibious assault ship, possibly an ancient light aircraft carrier operating helicopters would fill that role. This would be supplemented by a more modern defensive/denial navy made up mainly of fast missile boats and a fleet of subs, they\'re not hugely expensive to run but their missiles pack one hell of a punch, they can be used to ambush or swarm an incoming task force. I'm also going to leave the names of the ships blank so players can invent suitable names, If you want a ship to have a particular name then feel free to PM me.

For the Air Force, decent numbers of modern multi-role aircraft optimized for anti-ship and bombing as well as air to air. A few squadrons of air superiority fighters would be worth considering too. For power projection a few refueling aircraft and an airlift capacity would be a minimum The Air force or artillery corps would operate air defense supplemented by naval units with anti air capacity.

Could someone convert the budget to Pounds/USD/Ugandan Shillings for me? I\'ve got no idea what the value of the budget is and how much it could support,

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