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Bill: Landmine Bill I
Details
Submitted by[?]: Beluzian Communist League
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3576
Description[?]:
The military deciding to use landmines or not is fine, and landmines really help in wars. But in the case we are in a war and the military decides to put mines in every city street. That's very dangerous itself,. so even though landmines can help in wars, we shouldn't have to blast every sorry person who accidently steps on one. So i propose we allow it, but we prohibit the use of it in certain battles such as when it's in a civilian area. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The Government leaves this to the army to decide upon.
Current: The use of land mines is prohibited.
Proposed: The use of land mines is allowed but restricted.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 18:17:12, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Republic Independence Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Transparancy is needed as to what the military does so we agree on this one |
Date | 18:24:52, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Republican Democratic Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | The army is a reliable expert on the defence and the Govt musnt make any laws that compromises its work. We dont agree with this |
Date | 18:27:44, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Republic Independence Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Transparancy is needed because in the end the army defends the people and the government is the one that has to justify what the army does |
Date | 18:37:44, November 12, 2013 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | While OCL is right about transparency, we cannot say that the present state of affairs are any less transparent. The recent bill that was put up by us in this regard, clearly explains our reasons for keeping the law as it is now. Please read it so that you may understand. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=394398 However, we may rethink should there be a reasonable justification for this law, as we do not wish to be against this bill right away...ideology is something that we respect and have strived to achieve too. |
Date | 18:39:32, November 12, 2013 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Beluzia Communist League, we appreciate your effort and understand your concerns, that may even be well-placed. But we request you to understand our point of view too before we all arrive at any final decision. |
Date | 18:50:44, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Republic Independence Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | This is something that we disagree on, The military in our view is there to protect the nation's interests which in turn is dictated by the government. We shouldn't regard the military as something outside politics. We don't really see why this would slow down our decision making. It is not like the parliament has to agree on every potential place for mines when it is neccesary. Restrictions in our sense would be example civilian cities |
Date | 19:03:44, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Republic Independence Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Altough we could understand this standpoint as we have been exiting a fascist period, but then there is the other side where transparency is needed in military policies to prohibit the military as acting as a standalone something |
Date | 19:08:48, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Republican Democratic Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | The army is trained to be sensible and its prime duty is safeguard our nation and thus abstaining from any actions that will harm the citizens. Governmental, or in this case parliamentary overreach will only negatively effect the army dutiful actions. We praise the BCL for putting up this issue and we are in total agreement with it. |
Date | 19:09:42, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Communist League | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Thank you for your opinions UPP :)! I'm glad someone agrees, and i agree on the fact that the government wouldn't slow down our military activity, I can't see the government not knowing about how to run the military, the Government and Military are in the same category. I'm not sure how you may side UPP or the rest of our nations parties, but I feel it is a good proposal as it is not gonna let the Military go all willy nilly at planting mines, and how mines are essential in some situations for defence and to keep our nation safe. Thank you for your time! :) |
Date | 19:33:05, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Republic Independence Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Occ:bcl i think you misread. I agree on this proposal. Restrictions are needed. Maybe read the comments again. When i said we disagree i meant disagree with upp. Now if this isnt the case then we have just misinterpreted your message |
Date | 19:38:01, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Republic Independence Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Ooc: RDNP, why did you earlier say you dont agree with the bill and now you say you agree with it :P |
Date | 21:08:42, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Republican Democratic Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Sorry I was doing a lot of things at the same time , I ended up rereading the Bill in reverse. Nope we still disagree with so please discard my last msg OCL thanks for pointing it out |
Date | 23:30:59, November 12, 2013 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | I'm so very confused, who agreed to what! :P RDNP says, OCL says, BCL says... Oh!! Am I in agreement...I forgot the point! |
Date | 23:37:53, November 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Communist League | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Aha :) love this nation already! |
Date | 23:39:59, November 12, 2013 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | I'm so very confused, who agreed to what! :P RDNP says, OCL says, BCL says... Oh!! Am I in agreement...I forgot the point! |
Date | 23:43:22, November 12, 2013 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Haha! So should I agree? :D I seem to have lost track! Help me out from one now! |
Date | 00:12:00, November 13, 2013 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Ok, now. So how do we know the restriction is just for civilian areas and not actual battlefields on whatever grounds? If it is not so, I can vote 'yes'. |
Date | 00:12:05, November 13, 2013 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | Ok, now. So how do we know the restriction is just for civilian areas and not actual battlefields on whatever grounds? If it is not so, I can vote 'yes'. |
Date | 00:17:15, November 13, 2013 CET | From | United People's Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | And the question is not where the army places these land mines, but if they want to use landmines or not. The proposals clearly describe what they mean. Where and how is another later issue for them, that could still be regulated. We can propose a resolution to that regard later. Should the government be really involving itself with tactical wartime measures and overstep on the army's way of working? No matter what, they are under our regulation, so other concerns would be baseless. |
Date | 05:39:26, November 13, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Liberty Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | The use of landmines are barbaric and lead to casualties far after conflicts end. In addition to our outright opposition to offensive war, we feel that this does not go far enough. We will support this because it places some further limits on landmines, however, we will be proposing legislation prohibiting their use. |
Date | 23:20:51, November 13, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Republic Independence Party | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | This bill is getting confusing. In essence we believe that military stuff should be transparent because the government is the one that has to justify what the army does. So the government should be allowed to restrict landmine use instead of that the army can do so at his discretion |
Date | 15:17:24, November 14, 2013 CET | From | Beluzian Communist League | To | Debating the Landmine Bill I |
Message | ^ Pretty much what i thought was right, The government is military itself... o.O I think government decisions would go faster in military and everything else if seats would agree. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||||
yes |
Total Seats: 105 | ||||
no | Total Seats: 178 | ||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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