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Bill: Resolution to condemn Clark, Grangers and Jackson

Details

Submitted by[?]: Gilde Mercantile Solentia

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: February 3576

Description[?]:

Exalted Members of the Signora!

I come before you to ask for your condemnation against former government officials that have been brought to justice. Former Grand Doge Amiele Clark, former Consigliere Samuel Jackson and former Finance Minister Lois Granger have committed atrocities that are against our constitution. Seeing as they once served in this very chamber, I want to ask for you to show your will against blatant abuse of power, corruption, greed and malfeasance.

They have been found guilty for their crimes. Crimes that are very grave. Crimes that disappoint the Solentian people. They have abused their power, authority and positions in pursuit of political gain. They have made illegal and simply unjustifiable actions. Never has been a legitimate business, politically persecuted by a government. Let this be an example that Solentia does not tolerate crime.

Matthew du Pont
Signora Majority Leader

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date22:47:40, November 12, 2013 CET
From Grand Liberal Party
ToDebating the Resolution to condemn Clark, Grangers and Jackson
MessageMembers of the Signora,

We do not accept the legality of this verdict or trial of these former members of Solentia’s government. The whole process from start to finish was a sham, with the defendants not even given the right to speak in court or present any evidence for the defence. Never once have they been questioned by the authorities with regard to these false allegations. The whole process shows not the slightest shred of respect for due legal process. How can we expect to be taken seriously by the statesmen and women, the great democrats of terra when we subject our former rulers to a trial which is worthy of some tin pot dictatorship and has no place within the great nation of Solentia?

We demand the following questions be answered:

1) Which article of the Constitution have the defendants breached? Since Solentia has no official written constitution, where is the historical president for these findings?

2) Why would the elected government of Solentia be barred from collecting a small windfall tax - 7.5%, from companies which had amassed great wealth - wealth which was only obtained because of a Guild government issuing favourable contracts to its own family companies? This would seem like a perfectly legitimate course of action. The Signora is sovereign to take any such decision it deems necessary regarding such matters of corporate management and taxation.

3) With regards to the military strikes Solentia launched, these were taken in line with all historical presidents and with the legitimate authority of this House. Why would a limited and proportionate missile strike (20 or so) against wmd and terrorist targets be deemed a 'crime against humanity’? Even the Watuni government has not made any complaint of civilian casualties and none were reported at the time. Members of the Signora please remember that the weapons we sought to destroy were responsible for deaths of 246,000 civilians. This fact is undesputed. Are we setting the historical president here that the elected government of this nation, with the backing of this House may not declare war on an enemy? May we also point out that the RS party which now holds the two highest offices of state in this nation gave their full and public backing to this action ?

4) The Liberal Party seeks to establish just when Guild families amassed their great wealth, with companies worth 200 Billion SOL. Look throughout the historical records and you will note that from the formation of the PoP there is no mention, sign or hint, explicit or implicit, of great family wealth. How legitimate has this gain in wealth actually been, how, and when did it ocur?

5) Solentian law dictates that all government employees are to be politically independent, yet the links of these Magistratos to the Guild has been widely reported in the press. We are therefore legally entitled to reject their their verdict as unlawful and as such we will not even waste our time voting in this worthless debate.

Harriet Jones
Liberal Justice Spokeswoman

Date02:26:55, November 13, 2013 CET
From Gilde Mercantile Solentia
ToDebating the Resolution to condemn Clark, Grangers and Jackson
MessageMr. Harriet Jones and all your Liberal ilk,

Have you forgotten the more than 100 years of PoP rule before? When there are only monopolies approved by the government? I think that suffices your question 4. Also, the Guild prides on its friendship with other countries and also due to oil. Countries like Lodamun and Beluzia where we export oil.

For question 2, the legality of that has been clear to the Tribunale. Since when does a government use their windfall tax just because they don't like where the income came from? Solentia had more than 100 years of slave trade since and the fact that only Guild companies were taxed....that is a sign of political persecution. When the salve trade was done, many companies were there. Malivian, Solentian, Wantuni and others. The big question is? Why put a tax on Guild companies in the slave trade only? This does not show fairness by the government at that time.

Tristan McFay
Signora Member for Pinara

Date22:49:18, November 13, 2013 CET
From Grand Liberal Party
ToDebating the Resolution to condemn Clark, Grangers and Jackson
MessageMr McFay,

You are very much mistaken on the accuracy of the facts. The Windfall tax was applicable to all companies, regardless of their ownership, which traded in three categories: Oil Drilling and Refining, Slavery and the Passageway Canal. No reference no reference at all is made to the Guild - although it is interesting that the Guild has only sought to claim back their losses and not those of any other effected company. The link to the legislation is included for your benefit:

http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=392556

We also thank you for your honesty in answering our question. Now who in Solentia would oppose a windfall tax on companies which made billions of SOL because their family own members in government awarded them the contracts?

How can you talk about fairness in the same breath?

We notice your failure to address our points about the military strikes on Watuni.

Harriet Jones
Liberal Justice Spokeswoman

Date23:26:35, November 13, 2013 CET
From Grand Liberal Party
ToDebating the Resolution to condemn Clark, Grangers and Jackson
MessageOOC:

The issue could be referred to the Supreme Court, rules below:

http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=292015

However note that Justices serve 21 years terms

Justices are appointed, in a staggered manor by the Head of State and approved by the House

The Liberals controlled both of these from 3546 - 3573 - 28 years

Therefore on the Liberals leaving office in 3573, every one of the Justices on the Court would have been Liberal appointed and therefore sympathetic to our cause. Since terms are staggered - the RS Doge would have been able to appoint 1, maybe 2 all the most.

So the current court make up would be a 5 / 2 Liberal majority at least.

Like I say we can take this rp to the court or come up with an alternative ending

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 491

no
 

Total Seats: 104

abstain
 

Total Seats: 155


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