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Bill: Professional Army Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radical Freedom Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2162
Description[?]:
| Rutania is a country well-known for loving Freedom; taking away an untrained mans liberty and forcing him to fight is against all the values we as Rutanians stand for. This Act will see to it that the Defence minister reform the Rutanian Defence Force into a professional all-volunteer army. The draft shall be completely abolished. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:17:38, December 23, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | "Rutania is a country well-known for loving Freedom; taking away an untrained mans liberty and forcing him to fight is against all the values we as Rutanians stand for." Just as in Athens, it is the duty of every citizen to fight to defend the freedoms that he or she enjoys, when necessary. "This Act will see to it that the Defence minister reform the Rutanian Defence Force into a professional all-volunteer army. The draft shall be completely abolished." The army IS all volunteer. The current legislation only says that we may draft in extra manpower when it becomes absolutely necessary in times of war. Clearly we would rather have volunteers than draftees - they make better troops - but when faced with a choice between putting a future war effort at risk and having no draft, I know which one I would choose. Considering that we are currently under threat, I find it shocking that our cabinet allies would even consider this. |
| Date | 22:26:48, December 23, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | You mean the freedoms the Government holds dear, and since when should be tolerate a Government forcing its citizens to get shot for the values that Government holds dear! That is ideal tool of oppression! And, just as a technical point, the army is not volunteer. It is professional, volunteer has a slightly different meaning in this context. And we are not under threat, the mere fact that you are considering waging war on Vanuku is disgusting and goes against the spirit of international peace, security and justice I thought our Government holds dear! |
| Date | 22:44:10, December 23, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | "You mean the freedoms the Government holds dear," No, the freedom to elect a Government that holds your values dear. "and since when should be tolerate a Government forcing its citizens to get shot for the values that Government holds dear! That is ideal tool of oppression!" You, sir, are an idiot. "And, just as a technical point, the army is not volunteer. It is professional, volunteer has a slightly different meaning in this context." As there is no war, there is no conscription and therefore the army is a volunteer one. "And we are not under threat, the mere fact that you are considering waging war on Vanuku is disgusting and goes against the spirit of international peace, security and justice I thought our Government holds dear!" Have you even been keeping up with events? THEIR parties have threatened US with war. Why do you think I am strengthening our SHORE DEFENCES? If I wanted to attack THEM then surely I would be building some kind of invasion fleet? Clearly I am not. A vote for this is a vote against Rutanian sovereignty, and a vote in favour of the foreign jackboot. |
| Date | 13:08:50, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | I beg all honourable members to leave the matter of shore defences aside now. If the RSDP disagrees with the defence policy of this government we suggest they start a motion of no-confidence or something. This debate is about abolishing the draft, a goal that we can all hopefully share. The points of the MoD are respectfully understood, but this is a matter of Rights - and we do not feel that these rights should be trampled on every time there is a hint of military tension. If we are in a long, protracted war there may be ground to reconsider - however the RFP must strongly oppose the draft now and we cannot afford to give the government so much leeway in choosing to draft people. |
| Date | 17:07:53, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | You do not have a right to sit idly by whilst the sovereignty of a country shared not jsut by you but by many others is under threat. This doesnt say "All adults upon completion of schooling are required every time there is a hint of military tension to serve a term in the military." , it says "All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military." Scaremongering and exaggerating will get us nowhere. |
| Date | 17:15:40, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | The Grabd Republican Party believes that the draft gives vital military training to the population, and ensures that there will be a larger pool of trained recruits to choose from in time of conflict. This will enable the military to engage the enemy more efficently and thus far more likely to win any engagement. The GRP further believes that the draft invests valuable skills into the population that ndertakes it, such as discipine, a respect for authority, and other life skills. |
| Date | 18:09:56, December 24, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | This is what I meant, the Government values discipline and respect for authority, and will use the draft to force this upon the population. |
| Date | 20:44:59, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | Care to suggest how, since a draft can only be applied in times of war? |
| Date | 14:29:41, December 26, 2005 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | The current law gives the government FAR too much discretionary power in declaring a draft. Any such extremity should in our opinion be brought before this House first. |
| Date | 20:45:45, December 26, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Party II | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | Fresh from the drug dens of Food and Agriculture Minister Gordon "Frop Crop" Herbman, after the LAP's monthly stoner meet, most LAP MPs decided to support the military reform bill. Fight the establishment, man. |
| Date | 22:09:34, December 26, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | "The current law gives the government FAR too much discretionary power in declaring a draft. Any such extremity should in our opinion be brought before this House first." How many times, prey tell, IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF RUTANIA, have we been at war? The answer is none. This act, which gives the government "too much discretionary power" has *never* in the *entire history of our nation* given the government *any* discretionary power. |
| Date | 23:17:30, December 26, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | This is what I meant, the Government values discipline and respect for authority. Your government would value no sex in public, no sex on tv during the day, restricted alcohol, smoking, drugs. Your party would be imposing your values on the population and saying to people they must respect your authority. Your argument, is idiotic. |
| Date | 17:24:06, January 01, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Professional Army Act |
| Message | At the Freedom Party, those issues are unrelated to this and only make you sound like an idiot. Well, "sound like" is not the appropriate term... "How many times, prey tell, IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF RUTANIA, have we been at war? The answer is none. This act, which gives the government "too much discretionary power" has *never* in the *entire history of our nation* given the government *any* discretionary power." Actually, if we apply your definitions and standards, we might have had a draft about three times: the Beluzian Crisis, the Dundorfian Crisis, and the Vanuku Crisis. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 254 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 345 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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