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Bill: Checkmate, Memorare Party!
Details
Submitted by[?]: Independent Capitalist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2161
Description[?]:
| The Aloria Coalition compromised to get you in the cabinet when we could and should have cut you out. You backstabbed us by not endorsing the AC HoS candidate. You lost seats and the candidate you endorsed lost the HoS elections. Now you lose your cabinet spots. |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the Llywydd (President) chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Independent Capitalist Party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Hammerian Capitalist Party
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Independent Capitalist Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Social Reform Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the 
Fair Capitalism Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Fair Capitalism Party
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Hammerian Capitalist Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Independent Capitalist Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Hammerian Capitalist Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Social Reform Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Lord-General Drache Party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Lord-General Drache Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:16:10, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | Seems fair - 3 cabinet spots per large parties, 2 spots per small parties, enemies of AC cut out. |
| Date | 04:17:44, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Capitalism Now! Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | Backstabbed you? He was never even part of your pathetic AC, he can endorse who he wants, that's democracy, right?... Allowing him to vote for who he wants. How noble and democratic of you to call him a backstabber. |
| Date | 04:19:05, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | CNP, you're still jealous that you don't have the majority to pass a new cabinet. The majority of Aloria, speaking through their elected representatives, want this cabinet |
| Date | 04:19:34, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | And, CNP, he can endorse who he wants. We, however, can put who we want in the cabinet! |
| Date | 04:21:00, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | backstab? I expressed my view openly, and I'll do it again: while the ICP backs Anti family values and economics I wont vote for you. I stand by what I said to you privatly..I'd rather be outside of government than in a government that allows the family and society to perish and die. I knew you'd win, but my conscience as a christian didnt allow me to vote for you. |
| Date | 04:21:47, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | We tire of your semi-totalitarianism, ICP. |
| Date | 04:22:10, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Capitalism Now! Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | ICP, the only reason they endorse you is because of the cabinet positions you give them. They can't see past your lies, but thank God the MP did! And i don't really care about getting a majority, or a place in the cabinet.. all i care about is ridding you of the HoS |
| Date | 04:25:31, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | "backstab? I expressed my view openly, and I'll do it again: while the ICP backs Anti family values and economics I wont vote for you. I stand by what I said to you privatly..I'd rather be outside of government than in a government that allows the family and society to perish and die. "I knew you'd win, but my conscience as a christian didnt allow me to vote for you." Yes, and Anti-Corruption Party of Aloria who voted to keep contraceptives at public toliets (a waste of money, btw), who lost seats and thus is falling out of the people's favor democratically, and did all of those Freedom From Religion Acts is the perfect family values candidate. "ICP, the only reason they endorse you is because of the cabinet positions you give them. They can't see past your lies, but thank God the MP did! And i don't really care about getting a majority, or a place in the cabinet.. all i care about is ridding you of the HoS" Lies, CNP. They endorse me for other reasons. The cabinet is just a way to reward them. It doesn't go the other way around. |
| Date | 04:27:13, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Capitalism Now! Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | ICP, i NEVER see your precious AC arguing against me or the ACPA when we decide to take a stab at you. |
| Date | 04:29:24, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | That's because I do an adequate job of arguing against you. |
| Date | 04:34:05, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Capitalism Now! Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | Even if you did do an adequate job they could still be more helpful.. wow, i guess they just don't care about you, they care more about the power they get from you giving them cabinet positions. |
| Date | 04:36:03, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | again, we simply wont support a Prowhore and anti family leadership. Better to die than sell out our values. Better for aloria to die than step away from dignity. |
| Date | 04:38:05, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | We don't support religious persecution, unlike the Memorare Party. They want mandatory military service in their latest bill, something that is against the pacifist Quakers who make up a large portion of Aloria. The *Aloria Coalition* would never persecute someone on the basis of their religion. |
| Date | 04:39:08, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | again, we simply wont support a Prowhore and anti family leadership. Better to die than sell out our values. Better for aloria to die than step away from dignity. |
| Date | 04:40:18, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Capitalism Now! Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | We don't want the AC, but you still persist with it. |
| Date | 04:42:27, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | The ICP is not anti-family. How is giving money to large families pro-family? All it is is wasting money, putting us deeper in the deficit, and encouring the children to grow up on welfare. Do we really need millions of state-dependent people in Aloria!? I understand giving money to low income families, but your system would also give money to a billionare with 5 kids! |
| Date | 05:19:45, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | Big families need support. A family with 10 kids and the dad on a good wage is pratical poverty. Your economics dont take into account the reality of family life. |
| Date | 05:27:18, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | Right. So if I am the richest man on Terra but have 15 kids, I should get the same support as someone with 3 kids who's on minimum wage? That doesn't quite seem fair to me. And if a family with 10 kids makes you poor, then you get the poor support. If a family with 10 kids keeps you okay/rich, then you can obviously afford it without government support. The truth is, I lost your support because I'm not socialist. I'm sad to hear that. |
| Date | 08:52:32, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Hammerian Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | If a family *can not* afford to support children, or MORE children, then they should not bring those children into this world! It's that simple. And while we understand that there are some circumstances where they have no choice, we are STILL against government support. While we agree that impoverished families should be supported, it should be done through charity and goodwill, not through guaranteed government support! Doing so does not give the father or mother a better job - Doing so only makes them wait by the mailbox for their next check! |
| Date | 08:53:19, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Hammerian Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | Note: "doing so" refers to government support of large families. |
| Date | 11:10:39, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | Large families work and struggle. I know many two income large families who only 'just' get by, these neocon economic ideal held by the ICP and her allies smells of primary school economics. |
| Date | 13:52:37, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | Even the name of this bill is fascist and violent. Somehow the ICP has got into its head we all have to dance to its tune...I remain loyal to the politics of aloria but refuse (as I spoke of before) of sitting in power with a party that is anti family and anti dignity. Still the ICP seems determined to make this a issue of 'treason'....I fear this bad blood will only increase... |
| Date | 16:03:51, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | "This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline." Read that. It is impossible to fit all 8 active parties in Aloria in a cabinet and have them all vote yes on it. If it is not unanimous among all parties in the bill, it will fail. While we'd all like a representative and proportional cabinet with everyone in it, it would be simply impossible to do such a thing and still have room to give everyone good spots or a good number of spots. If everyone does not like the cabinet, they will vote no, thus making it fail even if the other 7 parties like it. Thus, this stupid new rule makes it impossible to make a cabinet like in the days of old. Now, why only the 5 parties of the Aloria Coalition? Several reasons. (1) They're a smaller group enough to all get okay seats and (2) they're representative enough! I am a capitalist-leaning centrist, HCP is a pure capitalist, FCP is a borderline capitalist, Lord-General Drache is a socialist, and SRP is a social democrat! SRP often votes *with* Memorare Party. Somehow, everyone else is willing to compromise for the sake of getting a stable gov't in Aloria. Why not include Memorare Party, Capitalism Now! Party, and Anti-Corruption Party? If someone is openly against the Aloria Coalition, a Aloria Coalition member might vote no to the cabinet if they're in it. That would also lead to the problem experienced a while ago when MP didn't like their seats and thus the cabinet with more than half the votes by far failed. ACPA called the Aloria Coalition fascist, CNP has also openly attacked the AC, and MP has attacked individual Aloria Coalition members. Thus, none can be compromised with in the issue of cabinets. Now, about the other issues, you should know several things: *Anti-Corruption Party of Aloria voted to keep contraceptives on public toilets so people could "fuck in the streets." *Capitalism Now! Party is far more conservative and capitalist than me - CNP even wanted cops to have MILITARY grade weapons like rocket launchers and automatic rifles. That's the group you're siding with, as opposed to people who are willing to compromise. I even helped you keep the abortion ban and ban euthanasia. Now, use your conscience. What group would you want to be the one siding with as a Catholic party? I don't think a party that supports the *government* giving out free contraceptives for a very anti-Christian reason and who made many "Freedom From Religion" bills before voting against them, changing views very fast, would make a better candidate to endorse than someone who *agrees* with you on many issues *except* increasing spending during the deficit. Think about it. You can either side with a representative cross-section of Aloria, the Aloria Coalition, or the opposition of it - composed of a capitalist and a anti-Catholic. What would Jesus do? |
| Date | 12:58:37, December 25, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the Checkmate, Memorare Party! |
| Message | "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34 |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 367 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 233 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: If there are no parties in your nation with seats, feel free to visit the forum and request an early election on the Early Election Requests thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4362 |
| Random quote: "Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made" - Otto von Bismark |