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Bill: The National defence Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Memorare Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2161
Description[?]:
| We continue to believe in a central defence ideal. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term of civilian national service.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Women in the military.
Old value:: Women serve alongside men.
Current: Women serve alongside men.
Proposed: Women serve in segregated units.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:28:23, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | Against. The local gov'ts know theirneeds for shelters more than we do. |
| Date | 04:31:37, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Capitalism Now! Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | I... don't see anything about shelters. |
| Date | 04:33:39, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | Oh, so sorry about that. I skimmed it through and thought you reproposed one of your old bills. The last time I speed read... |
| Date | 04:34:18, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | Though against all people joining the military after completing schooling. Aloria has a significant Quaker population and they are pacifists. To pass Article 1 is religious persecution. |
| Date | 04:38:18, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | civilian national service. it can be red cross etc. we can use the English model....even in ww1 pacifists were allowed to serve in the support/ medical arms. |
| Date | 04:40:25, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | It still forces things on people. |
| Date | 04:44:19, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | Plus, it's a waste. Your cited example was *during* a war. We are not in a war. If we were *in* a war, I might support this. And *no*, don't get us in a war. |
| Date | 05:13:22, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | Doing your duty isnt a badthing, we shouldnt want to do anything else. |
| Date | 05:30:54, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | Give me a good reason and I'll support it. So far there's no good reason you've given. |
| Date | 08:45:34, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Hammerian Capitalist Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | Forcing schooled adults into any sort of service to our nation in the military or related to it takes the able workers out of our industries. Think about it - Out of college, you'll take almost any job you can find where you can apply your education. What Aloria needs is more development. We need to build up our technologies and our society, not our military! Besides, in a time where there IS no war, how will we find a use for the many millions of "recruits" we have? If we put them to work researching and doing what they WOULD have done as civilians, we're just wasting our time and money sending them through basic and specialist training! Against one, maybe for 2 if I hear a good reason. |
| Date | 11:08:02, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | One reason :its healthy and builds identity. Giving people a basic servive within our nation isnt a bad thing..its good... |
| Date | 16:34:32, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | But is it worth destroying our economy and our young workforce for it? |
| Date | 20:43:04, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Hammerian Capitalist Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | All the identity and character is nice, but at the expense of our workforce and our economy? Are you serious? It's still not something we should FORCE on people. What you are proposing is the equivilent of slavery, and in the free nation of Aloria, we will not stand for it. |
| Date | 13:14:44, December 25, 2005 CET | From | Memorare Party | To | Debating the The National defence Act |
| Message | You allow whores but are against national civilian service. Whats a nice way of calling you a hypocrite? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 180 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 367 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 53 |
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