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Bill: NPH Believes the People Should Be Heard
Details
Submitted by[?]: Free White Castle and The People Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2164
Description[?]:
Whereas; The Luthori government is supposed to be a representative democracy; and
Whereas; Long intervals between elections creates a disconnect between the people and their representatives; and
Whereas; Such a disconnect fosters an overbearing and paternalistic government; it is
Resolved; Luthori should hold elections every three years. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:45:37, December 24, 2005 CET |
From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the NPH Believes the People Should Be Heard | | Message | Well, 5 years is simply too long, there is not so much pending legislation (prior to my introduction of bills) that throwing a bill back into debate after some votes had been cast would be burdensome. And I believe the government should take on such a burden if the result is to return the government to the people. |
| Date | 12:19:39, December 24, 2005 CET |
From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the NPH Believes the People Should Be Heard | | Message | Calling for elections at appropriate times is far better than having them forced on us during times of stable government. It takes more than three years to elect an emperor and cabinet, forge alliances, draft treaties and ratify them. Democracy is something we should pay lip service to, not become the slaves of. |
| Date | 12:33:07, December 24, 2005 CET |
From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the NPH Believes the People Should Be Heard | | Message | There is a difference between what you are accusing the DUP of doing and making sure all Luthorians are represented. The UCP represented the extreme right-wing of their party coalition, so it didn't entrench their position to hold early elections.
Our political system is different to the system you are used to in America, so I think an analogy is in order. In our system, there are 6-8 parties, but they represent three sides of politics.
The Luthori Progressive Alliance is akin to the democrats and is compromised of the Rzeczpospolita Party (left-leaning centrists), the Seosavists Republican Party (far left-wing) and the Luthori Green Party (moderate left-wing).
The Luthori Christian Coalition is akin to the republicans and is compromised of the Catholic Peoples Party (right-leaning centrists), the Democratic Unionist Party (moderate right-wing) and the Rednecks Party (far right-wing).
Then there is the independent parties. |
| Date | 12:50:04, December 24, 2005 CET |
From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the NPH Believes the People Should Be Heard | | Message | I am American, but do have a political science degree that in part focused on comparative politics so I do understand how a unicameral system led by a PM works. I do appreaciate you telling me where the different parties lay on the political spectrum, although I would disagree w/ your characterization of the parties based upon some of my observations. I would say that the American system of governement provides its citizens w/ a false dychotomy and that attempted to lay out political parties along a left right scale presents a similar dychotomy.
As for entrenching their position, I quote "Why vote against a chance to increase our majority?" His reasoning for the election was to increase the majority (i.e. entrench their position). He wanted the election in order to further increase the strength of the coalition government.
Clearly his justification for opposing shorter election periods is not because it takes so long to set up the government (that election was held less than 2 years after the previous), but because he hopes to have elections only when they favor his party. |
| Date | 12:57:47, December 24, 2005 CET |
From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the NPH Believes the People Should Be Heard | | Message | The departed party was part of his party coalition, so most of their seats would of gone to his party and that of the Rednecks, independent of when the elections are held. If they hadn't called for new elections, the government would of likely been stalled for four years. |
| Date | 13:11:00, December 24, 2005 CET |
From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the NPH Believes the People Should Be Heard | | Message | But we should be less concerned w/ the outcome and more concerned with the principles behind the decision. That is why it is hard for me to understand why you have entered a coalition government where the leader of that government puts forward positions that are anathema to your supporters. |
| Date | 13:22:02, December 24, 2005 CET |
From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the NPH Believes the People Should Be Heard | | Message | We also called for elections when the SRP returned. Holding elections by popular consent has many advantages over holding them ALL THE TIME, not least in terms of turnout. |
| Date | 13:29:59, December 24, 2005 CET |
From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the NPH Believes the People Should Be Heard | | Message | But if elections were held regularly it would be less difficult to form a government because we would see fewer wholesale changes in representation in the election results. Longer periods of time would likely result in bigger swings, meaning that it is harder to form a government. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 215 |
| no | Total Seats: 394 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 141 |
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