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Bill: Lowering the age of adulthood

Details

Submitted by[?]: Democratic-Republican Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: December 2163

Description[?]:

We of the Democratic-Republican Party believe that the age of adulthood is too high currently. Ageism exists as a barrier within our nation.

While at a certain age persons cannot think for themselves, so children must always be considered, we believe that the age of 18 is an arbitrary age, that is too high. We propose the lowering of this age to 16.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date16:25:18, December 24, 2005 CET
From Peoples Revolutionary Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageAnd what evidence do you have that would support this claim. The age is maintained becasue of the issue of insurence, drinking, and military service as well as other issues.

Date17:52:47, December 24, 2005 CET
From Democratic-Republican Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageI trust my 16-year old son far more than I trust some of the idiotic drunk 40-year-olds on the road, with my car, and with my government.
-D-R Party leader Tobias Chaim

Date18:31:20, December 24, 2005 CET
From Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageWe would be tempted by this if their was ANY evidence (apart from the fact that Mr Chairm trusts his son more than a drunken 40yr old) that a person is equally able to fulfill the responsibilities of adulthood at 16 as they currently do at 18.

Remember this affects many things.

Alcohol
Drugs
Tobacco
Military Service
Voting
Pornography
Sexual Relations
Housing
Taxation
Pension

To name but a few.

Date19:11:37, December 24, 2005 CET
From Peoples Revolutionary Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageOf course you would trust your son more...but if he was to commit a crime at the age of 16, would you allow him to serve time in a big boy prison...if it was a sever crime like rape or murder, would you let him do time in the Maxium Security prison.

Date20:17:28, December 24, 2005 CET
From Democratic-Republican Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageThere are 16-year olds across Hutroi whom I trust far more than these. Also, most of the decisions we make affect the children more than they affect us. It is not democracy to make decisions for someone.

And to respond to the Libertarians:

Alcohol - They are harmed no more than their elders
Drugs - the current Canabis laws do not prohibit children from using it.
Tobacco - Is used at this age widely anyway because of it's status as an act of "rebellion". If we eliminate it's "rebellion" appearance, fewer would start.
Military Service - is still voluntary in Hutori and should remain such.
Voting - I trust the average teenager as much as I trust the average Hutorian.
Pornography - is viewed illegally anyway.
Sexual Relations - will happen with or without regulations.
Housing - In case you didn't notice, mandatory education is still up until 18, so they would most likely still live at home.
Taxation - if living at home, could still file with their parents.
Pension - if they work, then they should be able to pay into their pension, even before adulthood.

Date02:13:25, December 25, 2005 CET
From Peoples Revolutionary Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageYou still didnt answer my question.

Date15:00:31, December 25, 2005 CET
From Democratic-Republican Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageAnswer: If my son committed one of those heinous crimes, I would have disowned him and care nothing for him, even sending him into such a prison.

Date18:56:24, December 25, 2005 CET
From Peoples Revolutionary Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageGlad im not related to you then.

Date00:05:31, December 26, 2005 CET
From Democratic-Republican Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageIf he committed such a heinous crime, then he deserves not to live more than any other heinous criminal. Where I say "care nothing for him", I use a term in my group's language meaning "ignore him", though literally meaning "care nothing". A heinous criminal, may they be the guy across Hutori, the guy next-door, or my own son, must be punished as is good and right before our law.

Date00:08:36, December 26, 2005 CET
From Peoples Revolutionary Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageFair enough...but im still against it...sorry.

Date21:15:54, December 26, 2005 CET
From Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageWe still see no proof that a 16 year old is able to carry the responsibilities, and unless we see such proof we too will oppose this.

Date16:23:59, December 29, 2005 CET
From Democratic-Republican Party
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageWe see no proof that an 18-year-old or even a 21-year-old is able either.

Date16:30:56, December 29, 2005 CET
From Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
ToDebating the Lowering the age of adulthood
MessageNo, too many idiots get the vote as it is.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
   

Total Seats: 115

no
   

Total Seats: 140

abstain
 

Total Seats: 0


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