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Bill: -
Details
Submitted by[?]: Die Sozialdemokraten
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3615
Description[?]:
| The current so called safety net is full of holes and the wealthy should not be getting child benefit. Ebba Weiner DS Social Services Spokesperson |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state guarantees child benefit to all families.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to all families.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to families classified as low-income or poor.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: There is a compulsory private pension system.
Current: The state operates a compulsory, public pension system.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:26:27, January 30, 2014 CET | From |  Die Sozialdemokraten | To | Debating the - |
| Message | Title: Netz der Sozialen Sicherheit Akt |
| Date | 15:55:48, January 30, 2014 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the - |
| Message | Herr Präsident, We reject the uncalled for assault on our families conducted by Frau Weiner. Everyone incurs the same costs for raising children - to deny higher-income families child benefit is to hurt our families and family values in this country. We will never vote to support such regulations. die sehr ehrenwerte Janna Goddestreu, MdR (HDV - Phönix Schlossviertel) Klubobfrau |
| Date | 17:17:31, January 30, 2014 CET | From | Die Sozialdemokraten | To | Debating the - |
| Message | Herr Präsident, The idea that child benefit promotes family values is just completely baseless. Family values have stood long before child benefit was introduced and are not dependent on finances but the natural love and respect, parents and children have for one another. Wealthy families with net earnings of hundreds of thousands of HCRs certainly do not need two or three thousand HCR benefits from the State, this money would be better invested in other areas like oh, actually aiding needy children. Welfare for the wealthy is a gross perversion of the ideas that the founders of our welfare state had - primarily to provide for those who could not otherwise afford to provide for themselves. Ebba Weiner DS Social Services Spokesperson |
| Date | 17:28:24, January 30, 2014 CET | From | Liberale Volkspartei | To | Debating the - |
| Message | Herr Präsident, while I generally agree with Frau Weiner regarding her opposition to welfare for the wealthy, I do not consider her position to be fully consistent. If those who can care for themselves should not be subsidized by the state, why then do we need to guarantee everyone, including those capable of earning a living on their own, unconditional minimum incomes, paid for by those who actually work? Harald Matsuyama, MdR LVP-Budenlar Vize-Staatsminister |
| Date | 17:53:23, January 30, 2014 CET | From | Die Sozialdemokraten | To | Debating the - |
| Message | Herr Präsident, I fear Herr Matsuyama is being a little devious and cruel here. While the tabloids commonly paint people on social welfare as work shy con artists and liars, the truth is most of them are at the very least, temporarily unable to work due to illness or just plain old bad luck in job hunting. Thus in a sense, they are not capable of earning a living on their own and the community should step in and assist them. Ebba Weiner DS Social Services Spokesperson OOC: This law on welfare is so vague. I always assume that it covers job seekers as well as those 'not supported' (whatever that truly means) |
| Date | 18:20:17, January 30, 2014 CET | From | Liberale Volkspartei | To | Debating the - |
| Message | OOC: Since there is no specific law for unemployment benefits, you might be right. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 450 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 193 |
| Random fact: Parties have the ability to endorse another party's candidate for the Head of State election (if there is one). This adds a strategic element to the elections. |
| Random quote: First and second class seats on public transport shall be BANNED! We are all FIRST CLASS people, regardless of whether we are rich or poor and can afford or not afford to pay for a more expensive seat. From now on, all seats on trains, buses, trams, planes and so on shall be the SAME. We will all travel in the SAME way, TOGETHER. ~ Friedrich Pfeiffer General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party |