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Bill: Tarifrechtgesetz
Details
Submitted by[?]: Fortschrittspartei / 進歩党
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3618
Description[?]:
| Government should not discourage labour unions like that, closed shops should be allowed to be formed. Julia Lindenkrone MdR Parteivorsitzender von Die Radikalen |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Closed shops are places of employment where only members of a specific union are allowed to work; union shops can hire non-members, but these have to become members after a certain time; agency shops can hire non-members, who have to pay a fee to cover the unions costs. All three are erected by union agreements. (Only valid if unions are legal)
Old value:: Union shops and agency shops are legal, but closed shops are not.
Current: Only open shops are legal.
Proposed: Closed shops, union shops and agency shops are legal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:07:53, February 06, 2014 CET | From |  Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Tarifrechtgesetz |
| Message | Herr Präsident, Frau Lindenkrone sure has courage to take a position to the left even of the new Social Democratic fraction in the Reichstag. But her policy is misguided and ill-conceived: the corporatist system of consensual industrial relations that has driven our economy quite successfully over the past centuries depends on a balance existing between unions and employers. To require all workers at a place of employment to join a certain union not only restricts their freedom to work anywhere they please; it also unduly unbalances the relationship between unions and employers whose balance creates a powerful force for the common good and the public interest. die sehr ehrenwerte Liduine Peters, MdR (HDV - St. Anton und Budental) Finanzministerin |
| Date | 14:11:00, February 06, 2014 CET | From | Liberale Volkspartei | To | Debating the Tarifrechtgesetz |
| Message | Herr Präsident, obviously my party is not one to cheer for government interventionism frequently, but in this case we think that it is sensible to define a framework for industrial relations that acts as a balancing measure of mediation between employers and employees. We do not want a system where unions stake out their territory on the marketplace and bar other workers from entering specific sectors through closed shop agreements, and therefore impose regulations on the market that are no less harmful than those imposed by the state. Sepp Holzinger, MdR LVP-Mitrania Wirtschaftsminister |
| Date | 16:38:29, February 06, 2014 CET | From | Fortschrittspartei / 進歩党 | To | Debating the Tarifrechtgesetz |
| Message | Herr Präsident, I think gentlewoman from St.Anton und Budental mistaken our party with their party, unlike you we do not place ourselves ineffective centre, where you adjust positions based on other party's programs, we are radical centrists, we are blind to ideology, we only look at the problem and possible solutions and we choose the smarter and the better position for Hulstria and her citizens. Corporatism is a flawed system, it is against the core beliefs of free market but we do not completely reject corporatism, like all ideologies there are parts that proved to be smart and efficient but we believe that closed shops are integral part of healthy union-employer relations, you can't expect unions to negotiate for you, if you refuse to join them and why should get rewarded for accomplishments of an institution that you refuse to join. Collective bargaining is a right and closed shop are integral part of it. but we are not surprised that LVP is against this proposal, they have vigorously fought against raising the minimum wage, and they have showed their real interest is for what's good for the big corporations and how can we harm the workers. Julia Lindenkrone MdR Parteivorsitzender von Die Radikalen |
| Date | 17:19:29, February 06, 2014 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Tarifrechtgesetz |
| Message | Herr Präsident, Would you remind Frau Lindenkrone that you do not place yourself in any political position, let alone the political centre? I laugh at Frau Lindenkrone's centrist pretensions. Her party platform is nothing but a mixture of mismatched and contradictory ideological positions. True centrism consists not of changing between a hard-left and a hard-right position like one changes clothes. And I would like to invite Frau Lindenkrone to a HDV Party Conference to show her how utterly misguided and partisan she is in her assertions about my party. We do not do changing our policies to suit the policies of others, unless she means coalition government - in which case I wish her the best of luck in winning 322 seats and then she can go it alone if she wants to. And I invite her to study a history book - she will find out that our party is among the most effective in Crownlands history. True centrism in economics consists of a durable commitment to serving the interests of all social partners. Frau Lindenkrone is advocating only for the unions. That makes her claim to being an economic centrist quite credulous. Corporatism is not against the free market. It supports and secures the social free market by making it work for the public interest. The public interest, Herr Präsident, and I counsel Frau Lindenkrone to listen closely: not the workers' interests, not business interests, but the public interest. I agree that larger unions would help. I encourage workers to join any of the large unions. What I take issue with is forcing workers in any business to be member of a specific union before getting the job. Of course they benefit from collective bargaining but they are supposed to: the entire system is based on making sure the public interest is served, after all. And let's turn it around: if you think what a union is doing for you is right, you join it. If you think their negotiating position is somehow wrong, you don't. I trust people to make that decision on more than cynical self-interest. That will make for healthier unions, a healthier and more consensual industrial relations and ultimately a healthier economy than Frau Lindenkrone's extreme solutions. Besides, by Frau Lindenkrone's logic, why not make union membership entirely mandatory? After all, nearly everyone is subject to collective bargaining by the peak organisations. That is the big flaw in her logic. Franz Weile, MdR (HDV - Kuratha) Klubobmann des HDV-Reichstagfraktions |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 209 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 434 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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