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Bill: Transport für die Menschen, 3619
Details
Submitted by[?]: Solidarität
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3620
Description[?]:
| Herr Präsident, Crownlanders need and deserve a Terra-class national transport system, free at the point of use. This is the only way we will get people off the roads and onto the trains and buses. The alternative is congestion, delays and the hideous pollution of our towns and cities. Max Siegel Chairman of Solidarity OOC: Is "Crownlanders" a term I can use? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Funding of public transport (where applicable).
Old value:: Public transport is partially subsidised with the remainder "user-pays".
Current: Public transport is fully subsidised by the government.
Proposed: Public transport is fully subsidised by the government.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Train Operating Companies (TOC).
Old value:: Private companies operate regional TOC's. The national service is provided by a publicly owned, national TOC.
Current: The State owns and operates a national TOC, alongside private TOCs.
Proposed: There is a single publicly owned TOC.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:16:28, February 09, 2014 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Transport für die Menschen, 3619 |
| Message | OOC: It's the official demonym actually. Informally one could often also say Hulstrian and Gao-Showan. |
| Date | 18:27:20, February 09, 2014 CET | From | Liberale Volkspartei | To | Debating the Transport für die Menschen, 3619 |
| Message | Herr Präsident, if everyone were to use public transport instead of cars and other means of personal mobility, then we would have to greatly increase spending on railways and the like, which will force us to take more money from the citizens. The proposed reform would only seemingly bring "free" transportation to the citizens - in fact, it would impose a huge amount of new costs on them, including those for the sheer act of full nationalization, which includes assuming responsibility for the massive amount of costs related to operating a comprehensive railway system. Ariane von Gehrfeld, MdR LVP/LB-Mitrania Klubobfrau der Liberalen |
| Date | 23:54:14, February 09, 2014 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Transport für die Menschen, 3619 |
| Message | Gicho-sama, I will defer to Frau Goddestreu to inform the house of the HDV position on fares policy. Regarding the Kronenlander Reichsbahn, I see no reason whatsoever to reverse the abolition of its monopoly by Kamachi-sama. On the contrary: The reason the monopoly was reversed was to protect travelers in rural areas who lost their lines to cold calculations from bureaucrats in Kien. Now there are thriving locally responsible businesses operating those lines the KRB would have trouble running efficiently. A return to the monopoly and renationalisation of what is now a semi-public company fully owned by the state but independently managed would therefore be unwise. hijo ni rippana Yoshimune Tsutomu MdR (HDV) Transport and infrastructure minister |
| Date | 00:08:14, February 10, 2014 CET | From | Solidarität | To | Debating the Transport für die Menschen, 3619 |
| Message | Herr Präsident, In response to Frau von Gehfeld, I point out that free public transport could easily be funded by increased taxes on the rich, and that over time, the scheme would become self-funding because of increased tax revenues brought about by the economic boost brought about by having such an excellent transport infrastructure. Max Siegel Chairman of Solidarity OOC: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=398601 Having read this I realise the "national" rail service is, in effect, provided by the state (or rather, a state-owned company). |
| Date | 00:08:38, February 10, 2014 CET | From | Solidarität | To | Debating the Transport für die Menschen, 3619 |
| Message | OOC: btw, what does "Gicho-sama" mean? |
| Date | 00:13:10, February 10, 2014 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Transport für die Menschen, 3619 |
| Message | OOC: that is what I was saying. Gicho-sama is Mr Speaker in Japanese (or so I gather). I use it to indicate a character is speaking in Kunikata rather than Hulstrian. |
| Date | 00:15:08, February 10, 2014 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Transport für die Menschen, 3619 |
| Message | OOC: It's the Dutch railway system, essentially. The TOC is owned by the government but has the form of a private company. |
| Date | 01:23:47, February 10, 2014 CET | From | Solidarität | To | Debating the Transport für die Menschen, 3619 |
| Message | OOC: What is the perceived advantage of such a system? If a reform like that was introduced to a public organisation in the UK, everybody would be suspicious that "the government is only doing this because they're planning to privatise it". |
| Date | 11:33:07, February 10, 2014 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Transport für die Menschen, 3619 |
| Message | OOC: I guess it's to Minimise Political Interference and bureaucratic inefficiency in the railways while still Maintaining some government control to ensure the protection of consumer interests. Basically NS acts like a private company but as the government is sole shareholder it can be called to account to the government as to any shareholder. For example, when delays in the winter occurred due to snow, the government pressured NS to do something about it. |
| Date | 13:39:20, February 10, 2014 CET | From | Solidarität | To | Debating the Transport für die Menschen, 3619 |
| Message | OOC: Here in the UK, we have QUANGOs (semi-autonomous non-governmental organisations) which are formally controlled by the government but are run at arms-length, enjoying considerable managerial autonomy. I don't quite get why the the government would turn an organisation like this into a public company instead of leaving it as a QUANGO. Unless, of course, they are planning to privatise or partially privatise it in the future... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 0 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 434 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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